[ SECRET POST #4674 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4674 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think there's very few fandom relationships that are entirely healthy but there's degrees here. Relationships can be more unhealthy. Jaime/Brienne is a much, much healthier relationship than Jaime/Cersei.

[(Anonymous)]

Much, or marginally? And just to be clear, I'm not a J/C fan.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I think "much" is a fair description.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, "happy" is pretty much my only metric for fictional relationships too.

[nightscale]

I do think relationships in the media can be judged as healthy or unhealthy, but that isn’t a metric for whether I ship them or not, but I do agree that a pair making each other happy is the main thing I care about and need.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding all of this.

Though also, for me personally, it's necessary for me to be able to believe that the pairing in question could conceivably get to a place in their relationship where they make each other happy. Which is where there's some overlap between "happy" and "healthy." If a pairing's dynamic is clearly and overtly abusive*, I probably won't believe they can turn it around and get to a place where they genuinely make each other happy. Even if the writer tells me they do, I'm gonna be like, nah.

*By 'abusive' I don't generally mean two enemies doing violence to each other. I mean intimate, domestic violence.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Same here. If I don't like the way a couple treat each other in canon, I'm not going to ship them, no matter how much the writer insists they are in love.

[nightscale]

I can agree with this. I'm not someone who can typically ship hero/villain unless there's prior relationship baggage involved(this is just my personal requirements), but if an at-odds pair come around to one another over the course of a show/book/movie then it can win me over. So long as they end up in a place where there's mutual respect and affection.

But yeah if a pair of characters are constantly shitty to one another there's basically no chance that I'll ever like it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't usually ship hero/villain either. I just don't generally like when hero/villain interactions are classified as 'abusive' because I think that kind of muddles the issue. "A and B are warring enemies; B is trying to destroy A," is a very different dynamic than, "A and B are friends/coworkers/lovers; B belittles A and physically violates them."

For me, a hero/villain pairing can turn their relationship around easier than a domestically abusive pairing can, because hero/villain starts from a place of active and apparent hostility. Usually, as they become more intimate they become kinder to each other. Whereas domestically abusive pairings tend to become more "toxic" as they become more intimate.

[nightscale]

Oh absolutely. Like I'd say that some villain behaviors could constitute as abusive, but this doesn't apply across the board, it really depends on what exactly the bad-character is doing and why, because most of the time it's a person just being shitty. Which is still bad yes, but it's not abusive and they don't have to be for a character to be a bad person.

But fandom has really warped the meaning of that word in recent years and people now apply to any slight negative interaction between a pair of characters when that isn't how that works at all.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000 to all of this. I couldn't agree more. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree!

[cakemage]

Agreed so hard!