[ SECRET POST #4676 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4676 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[My Hero Academia]


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04. [SPOILERS for El Camino]



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05. [SPOILERS for Innocence]

[Innocence by Dean Koontz]


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06. [SPOILERS for Hellboy]




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07. [SPOILERS for El Camino]
[WARNING for discussion of rape]




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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #669.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This. Polluting is actual, real harm. Sinning is just... oh, god doesn't like how you live your life so you deserve to die?

[(Anonymous)]

But polluting could be considered a sin

[(Anonymous)]

Considering the Bible talks about humanity being stewards of the Earth and that we're supposed to take care of it, I'm pretty sure it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Right. So then at that point, where's the distinction between Christian misanthropy and environmental misanthropy?

[(Anonymous)]

Pollution arguably being a sin in Christianity and pollution being genuinely bad doesn't mean that all of what Christianity considers a sin is genuinely bad.

[(Anonymous)]

So your objection to Christian misanthropy isn't that it's misanthropic, it's that it's Christian? You wouldn't have an objection to Christian misanthropy if Christians had a different moral code?

Because, I mean, the whole concept of original sin - which is presumably what's relevant here - isn't necessarily tied to any specific understanding of what is or is not a sin. And I honestly don't see the distinction between that conception of original human sin, and the idea that all human beings simply by virtue of being born bear responsibility for destroying the planet.

(I also want to note that this is really going off at a slant from OP's original secret and I know they weren't saying anything about this)

[ninefox]

Personally, I don't love environmental misanthropy either, but I can certainly understand someone who feels that it would at least be less arbitrary. And I think it's possible to tell a "we all fucked up and as a direct result, we died" climate apocalypse story without the same smug "and that's fine/good/deserved" misanthropy. Pollution can be greek tragedy: we have become capable of great things in the technology age, but also the terrible flaws in the engine of capitalism lead to our doom, and that's sad. And we should try to avoid it.

But the Christian version isn't a tragedy at all. Extermination and eternal suffering for the inadequate is how things are supposed to go.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it's possible to tell a non-misanthropic climate change extinction story but I'm specifically talking about environmentalist misanthropy here, not environmentalism in general.

[(Anonymous)]

except that in the modern era, western christianity has completely divorced itself from that verse. no one in evangelical circles actually thinks they need to take care of the enviroment, instead they parrot republican talking points.

so overall theoretically, this could be a great debate, but in actuality the debate is nonexistent because christians of the same demographic as Koontz is writing in already don't think being pro-pollution is also sinful. any environmental cause is basically outside the realm of sin unless you have a good way to equate tree-hugging hippies with other sins, in which case pro-environmentalism is actually the sin.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of, but not all of. There are still a lot of Christians who accept climate change, and even some Evangelicals who do.

[(Anonymous)]

You need to find other Christians then, friend. I don’t know of any Christian who believes being a steward of the earth is a bad thing. They’re not prone to worshipping it, that’s the difference.

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely. But is it a significant part of this Christian misanthropy OP is referring to?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what OP actually had in mind themselves.

My understanding of "Christian misanthropy" is that it's founded on the idea of original sin - the idea of some kind of foundational sin in human nature, a sinfulness or inclination to sin that exists for everyone, even the most new-born baby. The specific details of what a given person does, or what constitutes "sin", are sort of immaterial for the concept - the point is that every person is a sinner.