[ SECRET POST #4679 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4679 ⌋

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[bio_obscura]

Or Tifa x Cloud. Aerith was annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't understand why anyone would think Aeris is more annoying than Tifa, who spends the entire game being a useless pushover.

[(Anonymous)]

not only a useless pushover, but a giant lying useless pushover who is actively and knowingly keeping cloud in the dark over what happened and who he is pretending to be because she’s too ~scared~ that he’ll leave

[(Anonymous)]

Co-signed.

I liked Tifa when I played the game as a kid, because whoo martial arts lady so strong and badass. Played the game as an adult and realized she's the opposite of strong and badass. Her unwillingness to take a stand against Cloud, for his own damn sake, because she's obsessed with wanting to bone him and make him live out her knight on a white horse fantasies not only enables Cloud to go further into his delirium, it endangers the whole group. Tifa had a few nice moments on occasion but her ultimate decision to leave the group that's making a last stand to, you know, SAVE THE WORLD so she can hang out with comatose Cloud because ~feelings~ was just the last straw for me.

[(Anonymous)]

not only that, but also literally tells him not to listen to sephiroth when he’s yelling cloud the truth, because she knows she’s about to get totally busted. like excuse me? i will never understand how huge a pass she gets for being such a completely selfish liar, for all my days.

[(Anonymous)]

B... Because she was going along with his delusion out of being happy someone else had fucking survived the fucking slaughter of her entire hometown, which she both witnessed and survived herself? She was scared of breaking down what was clearly keeping him together, and she was even the one who finally helped him figure out what actually happened.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

I'm not a Tifa stan or anything, but this is what was happening with her. Cloud was her only link to her past. Her hometown, her dad, all her friends and everything she had ever known were all destroyed in front of her that night. She lost everything, and was almost killed as well. Cloud was the only other survivor from that night. He's the only tie she has to her past. Of course she's going to cling to him.

On top of this, how the hell do you confront someone about their delusional memories? I'd really like to know this. I mean, this was, as you said, what was keeping him together. Forcing him to confront his false memories would have either caused a complete breakdown she wouldn't have been able to help him with, or he would've clung to them harder. Either way, he'd be worse off. Getting a person to start working through stuff like this requires a delicate hand and most people won't know what to do.

In fact, I really doubt that anyone bitching about her "harmful, selfish" behaviour would have any idea what to do about it if they were in her position.

Not just that, but when she was trying to keep Cloud from listening to Sephiroth about how Cloud was never in Nebelheim, Sephiroth was lying to him too. Seph was trying to convince Cloud that he was a Sephiroth clone that only came into existence a few years prior and all of his memories of being a child and such were implanted and none of that happened. Seph wasn't just trying to make Cloud see the truth, he was blatantly lying and manipulating him.

And then, in the end, she was the one who helped him work through it.

So yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

She has some personal trauma, sure. But that doesn't suddenly make her not useless, and doesn't mean her deliberate inaction didn't endanger everyone. She was a weak person, period, and only existed as a sport to Cloud - and even did that badly.

[(Anonymous)]

I found the misogynist.

[(Anonymous)]

final fantasy seven is not this deep a game

[(Anonymous)]

Uh dude. I'm not saying it's deep. I'm saying that it's got a lot of real world psychology in it.

[bio_obscura]

I mean... it is. There's a section where Tifa and Cloud are literally walking around inside his mind. It was goofy and poorly written but it was definitely trying to grapple profound ideas about loss, really, memory and trauma.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure she helped him, when she literally had no other choice but to do so because they both got stuck in Mako comas. Whereas if she has been proactive, there's a chance they could've avoided the whole situation tho start with. Sorry, she's not gaining any hero points from me.

[(Anonymous)]

I. Proactive. Yes. And potentially see him breaking down or pushing back harder.

She's not his fucking therapist, you fucking piece of shit. And it is literally people like you who think that other people need to fix your problems or they don't REALLY care about you.

[(Anonymous)]

LMAO FINAL FANTASY SEVEN IS NOT THIS SERIOUS holy shit check yourself

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh. Really?

You're gonna sit there and whine that you don't get a Strong Female Character Who Does Everything Perfectly™ and when people start pointing out that she's just having a perfectly human response to something and there's real world psychology happening, you're just gonna shut it down because "it's not a serious game!!"

Just. If it's not a serious game, it wouldn't matter. You should just shrug and say "it's not serious, it's just a crappy written game. It's fun to play though."

[(Anonymous)]

She also could have made things worse, considering the version of events she would have told him also wouldn't have been true either and could have made him spiral much earlier. Yes, her actions, or inaction I guess, made an already delicate situation worse, but she fucked up with the best of intentions.