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⌈ Secret Post #658 ⌋

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[Looking For Group]

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[Johnny the Homicidal Maniac]

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[Fanfiction; Voldemort Kaulitz]

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[The Penguin of Death]

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[Fullmetal Alchemist]

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[Death Note, Mello]

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[MCA, KH II]

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[Gurren Lagann]

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[Fringe]

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[Psychonauts]

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[Avatar]

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[Ashes to Ashes, Shaz Granger]

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[Code Geass, C.C.]

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[Whitest Kids U' Know]

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[Nabari no Ou]

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[Kamen Rider Kiva]

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[BoA]

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[QI, Jeremy Clarkson, Sean Lock]

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[Resized]

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[Star Trek]

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[Fast and the Furious]

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[I suggest Kamina]

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[Code Geass]

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[Ken Russell's The Devils, Father Barre]

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[Supernatural]

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[Avatar]

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[Stephen Colbert/Kathleen Parker]

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[Death Note]

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107. Except that Mary Sues, by their nature, warp the story to be All About Them, make other characters around them act unrealistically, and often spout the author's moral viewpoints unaltered.

Tutu's a classic-princess type of character (only with more agency, which is awesome), and some people find that annoying, but she doesn't have the narrative flaws of a Mary Sue. Other characters react to her in believable, organic ways, and she's simply the heroine of the story rather than its constant central focus.

I agree that her clumsiness is a moe trait rather than a "flaw," but I also don't think that she needs huge gaping flaws; her hesitance about her own feelings and her insecurity over her dual (or triple) identities work well enough.

I think that "Mary Sue" has become diverted from its original intended meaning of "a character who takes over the story and other characters and warps them to better show off himself or herself" into "a character who has certain personality/design/backstory traits that were associated with fanfic characters written to take over the story." And honestly, it's not very useful that way.

119. Mmm, delicious trolling.

121. You know, I've enthusiastically defended girly girl characters for much the same reasons as you, but I'm starting to wonder lately if that's what discussion of female characters in fandom has come down to. Because...it's a lot more complicated than that.

Edited to add that I overreacted to 121; honestly I pretty much agree with everything there. I'm just starting to get jaded with and suspicious of the whole "girly girls vs. tomboys" argument.

Edited 2008-10-24 21:47 (UTC)

107. Fandom, not content with killing the term Mary Sue, is now raping its lifeless body.

I wasn't just trolling. I really do believe it. I know it's kinda wanky, but that's why it's a secret.

107. Don't forget "Mary Sue = female character I hate for X reason, BAWWW". (Poor Rinoa).

121. That's because girls need role models ALL THE TIME. Hell, why can't we (general we) decide on our own which kind of female we prefer, without having others judging us for our preferences?

And it goes to both ways. How dare females just... be females, need help, commit mistakes and/or like either girliness or boyishness better. You simply can't win when it comes to ANY females. =/

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