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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-11-03 02:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #4685 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4685 ⌋

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Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
If you're a man who likes men or a woman who likes women, you're not straight. You're just not. I don't care if you like the opposite sex way more/more often than the same sex, you're still bisexual because it just means that you like both to some degree, not that you necessarily like them equally.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Or pansexual. But agreed.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
After a point, it's between if you're technically bi or functionally bi. I think a lot of people rightfully have reservations about calling themselves bi if a same sex relationship isn't really on the table.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Words have no intrinsic god-given meanings

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
God-given? No. Nobody said that, but they do have definitions that people have given them. Other people can't just come along and say "oh, I don't like what this word means, I'm going to make it mean something else".

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Words can mean multiple things at the same time. Especially identity labels! Human identities tend to be complex, overlapping categories, not rigorous logical taxonomies, so it makes sense that there would be complications around them.

With regards to sexual and gender identities, it seems to me that the best policy is to most let people decide for themselves what the best approach is.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Or, you know, people could stop acting like "bi" is such a dirty word.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
Sure.

That's not the only reason that people choose to identify as other than bi, and you can't force people to identify as bi, so you might as well stop angrily insisting that other people are definitely bi if they don't consider themselves bi.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

But they ARE bi whether they identify that way or not. That's the point, words have meanings, regardless of whether or not people choose to use them.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
People have the right to decide whether or not "bi" is the appropriate label for them.

You could insist on describing someone as bi even if they don't wish to be described as bi. I mean, it's a thing you can do, no one's stopping you, and there's obviously some relevant sense in which it's true.

But it's stupid and dickish and disrespectful to do so, and you oughtn't to do it.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I half agree. Part of it is that straightness isn't just a sexual orientation, it's a social system as well. And trying to drag straight-identified swingers or people who do situational homosexuality out of the closet isn't work I need to take on.

Re: Unpopular non-fandom opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-11-04 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Now if you want a really unpopular opinion, a lot of straight cultures include a number of loopholes that allow for people to have their cake and eat it too, engage in recreational homosexuality while still maintaining straight privilege. In fact, one of the roles of outing is highlighting how people can get away with using public homophobia as cover for their barely-secret private lifestyles.

So while Kinsey-one bros getting drunk and accepting blowjobs or handjobs from other guys might be technically bi for the purpose of Centers for Disease Control accounting, they're emotionally, socially, culturally, and politically straight for all intents and purposes.