[ SECRET POST #4687 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4687 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Very well put OP! I completely agree!

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, Lana Del Rey is anti-feminist?

[(Anonymous)]

The only valid answer to this question is "The Discourse"

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yes? Definitely.

I’m not OP, but I’m also an ambivalent LDR…fan, and at least half her songs basically boil down to, “My man is bad news, he’s probably going to end up in prison, or he might get us both killed, but nothing he does will ever make me leave him because I live for him and nothing else matters.” There’s also a fuck-ton of “I’m whatever my baby wants me to be” themes, and a lot of romanticizing the gender dynamics of the 50s and 60s.

Also, she literally has a song about how dreamy it is to be Harvey Weinstein’s girl? (Not that she’s ever confirmed anything actually happened with him; she claims she was just imagining what he was like. But they have worked together, so who really knows.)

I’m not saying she’s bad or that it’s bad to like her music. I like her music. But she might be the most profoundly unfeminist female lyricist I know. Her music is so thoroughly steeped in sexist and disempowering ideals that I honestly thought her music must be some kind of social experiment when I first listened to her stuff. Pretty sure it's not, tho.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm also a fan and besides the harvey weinstein thing, i don't see how that makes her un-feminist. first of all, they're songs. secondly, i think quite a few of her songs about "my man is bad news" are touching on how it feels to be in an abusive relationship where you still love someone. that's not exactly vouching for the mindset presented in the song.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody's saying she's unfeminist. The argument is that many of the sentiments expressed in her songs are unfeminist.

"Love you more than those bitches before"

Light of his life, fire of his loins / Keep me forever, tell me you own me / Light of your life, fire of your loins / Tell me you own me, give me them coins

All my dreams and all the lights mean nothing without you

Lights, camera, acción / If he likes me, takes me home / Come on, you know you like little girls / Put me in a movie

Loving you forever, can't be wrong / Even though you're not here, won't move on

Life has no value without her man, her dreams are unimportant without her man to give life meaning, he owns her, she's his fucktoy, sexual coercion is sexy, other women are bitches, and so on.

And I mean, I could list five dozen more such lyrics pretty easily. If you don't see how sentiments like this conflict with feminism, I don't know what to tell you. Like I said, I have no problem with Lana and I have no problem with people liking her music - including feminists. But I can't fathom how you could listen to her music and not see that a lot of the sentiments in her music run strongly counter to feminism.

touching on how it feels to be in an abusive relationship where you still love someone. that's not exactly vouching for the mindset presented in the song.

In most of her songs she glorifies and romanticizes those abusive elements pretty hard, though. Every so often you get a song like High By The Beach where the amount that she's romanticizing it is outweighed by a genuine element of commentary and/or rejection, but the vast majority of the time that's not the case.

[(Anonymous)]

Like... I can't be the only one that has always interpreted her lyrics as incredibly sarcastic though, right? I don't believe that a single one of your examples is serious. She's very jaded and sarcastic just as a person in general, of course that would leak into her lyrics. I always assumed she was scathingly making fun of those viewpoints.

[(Anonymous)]

I've literally always interpreted most of her lyrics as naughtily ironic winking at the audience (and not providing any actual life advice or moral judgment). There's a darkness to a lot of them, that disturbing spin on mid century retro nostalgia. It's a character. And unless she's repeatedly said or done things OOC that are totally unfeminist...shrug.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, I too interpret most of her lyrics as satirical, as somehow lampooning those dynamics with the exaggerated effects of her stylistic choices.

[dancingmouse]

I completely agree. I know what I believe in and what I support. If I happen like a few things that happen to be "problematic" well, that's okay, nobody's perfect.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a really nice secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Happy to see feminism brought into F!S. (Speaking as a feminist.)

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed on both counts. And so far no MRA jerk comments.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 I get really tired of people fretting and wringing their hands over whether or not liking/watching [media] makes them a bad feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

Completely agree, op.