[ SECRET POST #4697 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4697 ⌋

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[Legend of Korra]


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Comments

[rosalinecapulet]

1. I guess in theory that’s true? But most of the jokes I’ve seen have centered around Bruce’s “Why did you say that name?” response and how his mom’s name was the turning point for him, with references to Henry’s (admittedly rather awkward and hard to defend) delivery being used only to make it clearer what scene they’re talking about

2. As I said in the original comment, to each their own I guess. I thought the dialogue was no more unnatural than the “philosophy major writing their first script” style that everyone loved so much in the Nolan films, but that’s just kinda what I’ve come to expect from modern Batman movies so I have a degree of leniency that I know not everyone will give this movie.

2b. It’s not “you’re not smart enough to get it,” it’s that this movie is so often being analyzed using blatant untruths about the actual nature of its contents (which I’m sure will get the usual “it’s just a joke” response but I’ve seen a decent number of people who think that their moms both being named Martha is literally all that’s going on here, and that’s what “the number of people who still don’t get it” refers to)

[(Anonymous)]

1. fair enough, I guess we've seen different parts of the conversation.

2. I'm not in love with the Nolan movies myself either, and I don't disagree with your description, but I think there's definitely...different flavors and levels of unnatural writing? Like, for the most extreme possible example, all shakespeare is profoundly unnatural in its speaking rhythm, but the internal logic and poetry and precision of it (and well-trained delivery, otherwise oof) make it still evoke really engaging characters. And the nolan movies are definitely...like, pretentious and kind of cold, emotionally and philosophically shallow, but it's not the same kind of lurching, bloatedly absurd (and in the places where it almost should be, Heath Ledger mostly carries it). They're also both super bombastic about their own importance, but Zack Snyder has such a lurid visual style that the clunkiness of the writing clashes extra hard with the framing and the set-up, whereas Nolan makes cold puzzle box movies that have cold puzzlebox dialogue inside them. It might not be to my taste, but at least it's not as jarring, because it all goes together.

I'm not blaming this entirely on Snyder, btw - I think it's 95% certain that some of the dialogue was That Way in that scene because of studio mandates. But it's still the wrong payoff for the set-up. And it's supposed to be the payoff, the single most important emotional climax and reversal of the whole movie. And when you execute that badly, the disappointment and dislike is always going to be higher than a film that's consistently working at a particular level, where the setups and payoffs match.

2b. again, I guess we've just seen different parts of the conversation. but there's idiots in every conversation, and I just want to point out that even for the people who absolutely do get it, "we wanted to do something deep but ended up with this mess about names instead" just doesn't save it. And if there are people who are discussing the Names Things because that's all they bothered to put in the movie itself, you don't actually know every time whether they "get it" or not. They might "get it" perfectly well but discount it because, again, it's not actually in the work they're discussing.