[ SECRET POST #4699 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4699 ⌋

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[For All Mankind (2019)]


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[The Outer Worlds]


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[The Expanse]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, Luke insisting that there is still "good in him" is literally the only thing that hints at some redemption - and my memory is a bit hazy, but I can't even remember what he's basing that on. Cause Vader said he wanted to rule with him? Cause he didn't shoot him when he was falling down after he cut his hand off? We don't get to see anything that proves it till that very moment. No hint, no morality pet he's occasionally nice to. Heck, he never even gives a fuck about Leia at all.

Meanwhile Kylo does show signs of falling apart, spares his mother and his talks to Rey prove that he's not HARHARHAR evil (I think that's why Hux is still there and even he gets a sympathetic backstory in the books). Of course the twist in the end is that he chooses the Dark Side regardless (which I also liked) and even THEN his last shot in the movie is him kneeling on the floor, looking sad.
I think that set up is actually a lot better (also really helps that we get to see his face and that Adam Driver is a decent actor) and could go both ways.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that telling us that Vader is Luke's father and that the backstory developed in the first story was basically a lie is also groundwork for redemption, narratively speaking, even if it's not officially labeled as such. And Luke insisting that there's still good in him (based on his force senses, which corroborates his instinct) is given quite a lot of weight in ROTJ iirc.

Kylo does get a lot of emotional beats and complexity, you're totally right, it's just that his decision to stay on the Dark Side makes it complicated and non-obvious to read that emotional complexity as pointing towards redemption in any kind of simple straightforward way.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I just think that Vader's redemption is foreshadowed more in... retrospect? (Especially since we know that the father thing wasn't actually planned from the beginning) As in, it DOES make sense (that it happened, not if the audience should just accept it), but without our hero Luke being insistent that he can Force-feel the good within him, most people wouldn't have batted an eyelash if the redemption hadn't happened (even with the whole father angle).

(Sigh. I just feel like the original trilogy just doesn't really give us a lot on Vader that we don't need to fanwank and then the prequels came along and made it even worse cause it gave us so much stuff that makes it hard to accept that these characters are the same person - ignoring all the additional fan stuff that not everyone has watched/read.)