[ SECRET POST #4705 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4705 ⌋

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[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/ukJdfbd.png

[kribban]

Off-topic but I love the face on that cat! Not a happy camper!!

[(Anonymous)]

Same, poor kitty.

[(Anonymous)]

What are some good examples of this? (I agree with you, OP, I just can't think of examples right now.)

[(Anonymous)]

TBH I feel like Katniss Everdeen is this.

Not to bring down the hordes of discourse, but like....the plot of the third book completely warped around making it convenient for Katniss and never forcing her to make a hard decision. She went through terrible things, yes, but the story was hugely convoluted so that the "smart" thing to do in her (ultimately pointless) infiltration mission was never actually at odds with her personal desires for revenge. She ought to be disqualified by her PTSD just like Joanna was, but the story twists so that she isn't. And when she does do something completely against the interests of the mission/revolution, it's mostly just ignored. Hell, even in the first book, the games work out very conveniently so that she can win the Death Games without ever having to herself fight another character we actually might have sympathy for, even though the "Death Match Kids have a high school style popular mean girls clique" makes very little sense.

I loved the first book and didn't really notice the flaws; I think the series has a lot of interesting and important things to say, and that Katniss has a lot of really interesting character traits that you don't see a lot in YA heroines. But as the series went on, it became more and more of a detriment that the author would allow Katniss to be hurt, or allow her to be difficult, but shied away from allowing her to be wrong. It's such a a shame.

Also, obligatory Anita Blake mention is obligatory.

[(Anonymous)]

Hermione Granger is this. The smart bookworm with a good heart is a pretty basic character and that's cool, but Hermione is never, ever allowed to be seriously wrong. Even when she imprisons someone in a bottle for weeks. Even when she steals her parents memories of her. Even when she sets up Umbridge to be taken by the centaurs. Her setting canaries on Ron so that he's still got scratches from them a month later. Her confunding Cormac so that Ron made the team instead...

Don't get me wrong, these things happen for the story to keep moving, but no one in story ever goes 'hey, Hermione, you know all that shit you've done? really fucking terrible' and 'two wrongs don't make a right'. And the shit Hermione does ranges from petty teenage garbage to holy shit that's a horrific crime you just committed and no one ever gives a shit about it in universe.

[(Anonymous)]

But that's not Hermione, that's the entire world of the books. Things that would be horrible crimes in the real world aren't treated that way in the books because that world has its own set of rules and you can tell immediately that it's not the same as ours because of the mundane way these things are treated. It's the same idea as watching a slapstick comedy, where you have to accept that people getting smacked around and injured in ways that would normally be very serious are just normal and everything is fine.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm surprised you're bringing up Hermione in the book series where the main character is the king of all Mary Sues. In the first book Hogwarts literally rewrites the rules of the entire school twice just to make him special treatment - first time when they let him join the Quidditch team despite first year students not being allowed to play, then again at the end of the book, when Dumbledore took away the house reward from Slytherin after they've won.

[ninety6tears]

Yes.

[dani_phantasma]

Two words.

Sam. Manson. (Danny Phantom)

She's opinionated, she's outspoken, she's kind of a hypocrite and she's oh so pushy. Trouble is the creator doesn't see the flawed parts.and season 3 whitewashed away all moments where she's wrong.

I don't hate the character because I see potential there. But I'm salty as hell at Hartman for not letting the character that could be shine.

[type_wild]

I think a lot of what makes a character come across as a Sue, is at core about the execution, and specifically, about what place the character occupies in the story. If you're going to introduce some original character as the main character of your fic, she's better be mightily well written for me to be interested in reading about her at the expense of the canon cast which I'm originally there for.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed 100%. You can have a character who seems incredibly Sue-ish on paper, but if they're written well, they can be a great, well-developed character. Conversely, you can have a character who doesn't have any outwardly obvious Mary Sue traits at all turn out to be a gigantic Sue if the author warps the entire story around them.

I like the picture and agree with the sentiment.

[(Anonymous)]

That cat just looks so disgruntled.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I could separate things like this, but I can't. I can overlook one or two moments of bad writing decisions for an otherwise well-written character, but if the entire character is nothing but a bunch of bad writing decisions, they're going to be a character I dislike.

[wannabe_influential]

Yeah, there are characters I started off liking or thought I would like, only for the writing to absolutely ruin them

Example: They are literally ALWAYS right. Anyone who disagrees either ends up looking like an idiot and having to apologize or if they don't apologize, the writers have it turn out that they were a villain the whole time

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely agree. And poor kitty. :o

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand, the best and most extreme version of this is still Ayla from the Earth's Children series. On the other, I can't be angry at Jean Auel for this because it's entertainingly ridiculous.