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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-11-24 03:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #4706 ]


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(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok but like... people engage in this type of performative wokeness. It's a thing that happens. What do you suggest we call it.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Performative wokeness would be a better term than virtue signaling

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt

I think they're both good terms. Just because one's been overused by an obnoxious vocal minority doesn't mean everyone's got to avoid it forever. It just means people have to read more carefully to figure out what the context is.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
da

That's not how communication works. Obviously, anyone can use any terminology they'd like. But if you're expecting people to critically analyze your online writing to make sure they get the specific nuance you were going for, then you are going to be sadly disappointed. The most commonly accepted meaning of the phrase will be the one that readers will assign to it. It's up to you, as the person communicating, to either use words that convey your meaning unambiguously or deal with the consequences of being misunderstood.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
One, I don't think it's actually that easy to disentangle a term from its use by an obnoxious vocal minority.

But more importantly, two, I think there are good, substantive reasons to prefer something like "performative wokeness" over "virtue signalling." Performative wokeness is much more specific and bounded. It refers to a specific subset of people - people with a specific type of view who are advancing it in a performative way - and no one else.

By contrast, virtue signalling is really all-embracing. I mean, on some philosophical level, you can cast doubt on anyone's motivation in taking any kind of virtuous action. So it's all-encompassing in a real cynical way. But it's also only really ever used against one specific group of people despite the fact that there's no particular reason that the behavior should be distinctive to that group of people. So ultimately, it ends up implying that a certain sort of view is disproportionately held for cynical reasons - it ends up being an argument against that view and not against people doing it performatiely.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT—yeah, I never see “virtue signaling” used to describe people who protest outside abortion clinics turning around and getting abortions themselves, or republicans who harp on “family values” paying hush money to prostitutes. I know the phrase isn’t describing hypocrisy so much as insinuating that a person’s “wokeness” is insincere, but I like “performative wokeness” because it allows for a person just being obnoxious about something they genuinely believe, but virtue signaling fits right-wing hypocrisy a lot better than left-wing loud wokeness.