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[ SECRET POST #4719 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4719 ⌋

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Some people are just invested in their ship and hate the canon they're in I guess.

Agreed.

I can understand being disappointed if your ship doesn't happen, like if your ship gets sunk at the very end and you weren't really expecting it, it makes sense to feel a little bummed about that. But I've never hated a canon solely because my ship didn't sail, if I dislike a canon it'll be because I basically dislike the whole thing, not just one facet of it.

Once upon a time I would be all over saying I don't get this too but...

Having recently gone through going off something because of events in canon (not related to shipping) I think I get it. I'm now of the live and let live mindset and if a ship becoming canon was that important to someone, fair enough.

The thing I wouldn't get is constantly hate-posting under tags or whatever. I basically reached a point of can't be bothered with even commenting on stuff anymore, though I will make passing comments if it's especially relevant or I'm bored. I just won't go out of my way to get involved. I feel like there's more to life than posting meta about a canon decision you hate every day.

I don't necessarily want my ships to be canon, but I do want the writers to be consistent with characterisation. Sometimes their vision for the endgame pairing takes over, and my favourite character becomes The Boyfriend or The Girlfriend of another character and loses their own story and personality.

I’ve never hated something because my ship didn’t become canon. But I am absolutely someone who only really loves the shippy version of the story that exists in fanon/my head. I don’t feel this way about ALL stories. I love the canon of some things and whatever ships I have are secondary. But almost all my hardcore OTPs are from canons I think are just alright.

I think people who hate a story because their ship didn’t become canon are like me, in that the main reason they’re there is for their OTP. But I think they also need their ship to be canon in order to feel satisfied/validated (which I don’t require). So when their ship doesn’t become canon, everything they liked about the story just kind of…evaporates like a mirage. They’re left with something they poured immense amounts of time and caring into...for nothing.

This mentality can be annoying, because it’s like, “Look, you did this to yourself." But I can also sympathize because I kind of know how they feel. I will often look at a story’s canon and think, “God, it’s so much more boring and bland this way. Why are canon creators so bad at building ships?” The difference is, I never get my heart set on my ship being canon, so I don’t end up hating canon. I just shrug, like, “Ok, sure canon, whatever; you do you.”

Mostly yes. But sometimes the ending ships are are a symptom of the real problems of a final. Like, How I Met Your Mother. I admit, I firmly ship Robin/Barney. But Ted/Robin doesn't work, and them getting together again in the final speaks to a lot of the problems with that final- things like saying that Ted's goals are objectively better than Robins, Robin's repeated making clear she wasn't interested not mattering and Ted's continued unhealthy obsession validated, and the way the writers kept an ending that was written for the show as it was 5 years ago. Ted and Robin getting together is a problem for a lot of reasons and really does ruin the final.

LMAO, I was on Tumblr after the latest season finale of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and 90% of the posts were angry shippers and 10% of the posts were, "So do any of you babies actually enjoy this show for the comedy??" Some people will pick one tree out in the forest then complain about being surrounded by woods.

out of curiosity did those two dudes everyone wanted to get together get together? or was all hope dashed?

All hope was dashed. (For now - I think the show got renewed for another season.)

i expect the show to hoik the shippers along for another season then.

From what I understand, the show is never going to definitively end. Kind of like Curb Your Enthusiasm.

what i love is when shippers of a CLEARLY never-going-to-happen-in-a-million-years kind of ship get mad when their ship doesn't happen. it's so funny to watch the batshit meltdowns from a bunch of ppl who had deluded themselves, sometimes for YEARS, into thinking their ship was going to happen and seeing them loose their absolute shit over the show/movie not suddenly tossing out it's canon for their crack-ship is fucking hilarious.

Most if us know the ship won't become canon. What pisses us off is the writers learning about the ship, then slaughtering one or both characters so it really won't happen. Like, can't you just let our cinnamon rolls interact without them getting weird because you, the writer, are against the ship?

Some of the best characters have been completely trashed by their writers in response to a fan ship.

ayrt.

when i say clearly never-meant-to-happen-ships i mean stuff like incest ships in non-fucked-up shows/movies or ships where one-half is literally dating/MARRIED to someone else the whole time, the shippers of those loosing their shit is fucking hilarious bc they're living in a lvl of delusion i can't even begin to contemplate. i find their tantrums funny and i'm not sorry.

but you getting into a pair of friends and those canon friendships being trashed is different and something i'd get being annoyed about even if i don't join you in the anger.

Ayrt

That is totally fair. Since I've never shipped those kinds of ships, my mind did not go there. Thanks for clarifying, and don't think you have anything to be sorry about.

Thanks, that's exactly the situation and it sucks.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-12-08 05:23 (UTC) - Expand

This is so annoying, especially when I only semi- kinda shipped a pairing or I friendship-shipped them exclusively, and suddenly they never interact anymore or when they do it's weird and the spark is gone, and I want shout "I never even really shipped them! Why are you doing this? It was fine before!"

I mean, it also sucks when I really did ship them, of course, but when I didn't it feels like I'm being punished for a percieved problem I wasn't a part of.

What if your ship not going canon meant the entire plot was destroyed? Like in How I Met Your Mother?

I would have agreed with you in the past, but idk, the ways that creators now interact with fandoms make me understand them a hell of a lot better. It's rough having writers/actors/directors/etc. getting on Twitter and talking to fans, figuring out what the ships are and riling them up about them and teasing at possibilities, only to shut the whole thing down in the production itself and shrug it off like "we weren't serious about it, geez." It's mean.

Not OP (obviously)

I would have to say this makes me feel the opposite. I know it get's said a lot, and I don't always agree with the sentiment, but the creators don't owe a fan much of anything. The growing connection between the fans and the show makers are more of a hinderance than help. I was reading just recently someone talking about how their NOTP (unplanned) became canon over their OTP (what was supposed to be canon) because of the influence some of the more aggressive fans had over the writers. There has always been queerbaiting, or 'will they or won't they' situations, people just seem to feel like they're owed more because they have a direct line of complaint to sell their worries to. No matter what becomes canon there are going to be fans of a different paring that are going to feel cheated, a comment an actor says about liking a relationship with a their and a different character is always going to be made into more than it is. A lot of the time planned parings or events can't happen, not to the fault of the writers, sometimes things get edited or don't pan out.

I'm used to shipping things I KNEW would never be canon, so I get you there-- my enjoyment of a thing doesn't hinge on whether or not my ship gets together on screen or on the page. Some ships that have a possibility either way I'd like to see happen but if it doesn't happen that's fair... but there ARE things that shows do that can turn me off.

I'm more likely to get upset about a ship I hate going canon than a ship I love not getting to be-- I've seen some really terrible relationships on shows, and I've seen too many characters (usually women) become completely different people (and usually the same terrible mostly-blank person) once they're part of a Relationship. But either way, isn't that what fanfiction is for? So we can live with our version of something, with all the ships we like and none of the ships we don't?

My investment in a show/game doesn't hinge on shipping, so it's weird to me that for so many people that it does. Shipping is a fun side thing for me, but nothing gets ruined if the ship isn't canon.

As other people have suggested, there are other things that can happen in canon that sour you on the whole thing besides just ships getting sunk. Do you also not understand people who hate movies/series/books/whatever media because their favorite character got killed off or the setting changed or a major plotline didn't go the way they wanted? Is this a "shipping is stupid and juvenile" hot take?

some writer decisions feel personal rightfully or not.

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