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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-12-14 02:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #4726 ]


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(Anonymous) 2019-12-15 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, YMMV I guess. The pacing felt fine to me. I liked mycroft's intro, specifically because it was mycroft and not Moriarty. I liked the character of mycroft and the odd, somewhat sickly dynamic with sherlock that was initially set up in that scene. I LOVED the initial depiction of sherlock as this vastly intelligent but emotionally stunted and psychologically tangled asshole who's so much more lost and messed up than he himself is aware of. I just didnt like where the show went with his character - namely, nowhere at all.

The cabbie being the killer was obvious, I just didnt care because I was in it for the characters. Plus I already knew going in that it had initially been a 45 min pilot where sherlock solved it in Angelo's, but the BBC decided they wanted the whole thing to be twice as long so Moffat and Gatiss had to scramble to restructure. So I was metatextually amused by the practical aspects of expanding a 45 min plot into a movie length plot. I've always liked that kind of thing.

(Anonymous) 2019-12-15 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
honestly I have zero patience for the Bunny Ears Asshole character. I didn't like it very much on House, and House did it better, actually engaging with what addiction does to a person and their relationships (not to mention chronic pain). Sherlock's stunted damaged asshole was doing a shallow version of a old cliche that I was already tired of. Just like the show had big flashy drama over solid story, it had big flashy JerkPain over solid character.

And the metatextual re-writing wankery might be interesting from a process standpoint, but that doesn't actually make the end result good.

(Anonymous) 2019-12-15 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
Just like the show had big flashy drama over solid story, it had big flashy JerkPain over solid character.

I would agree with this from a current perspective. But from having just watched the first ep, it was not just possible, but highly possible that the the character was going to grow and deepen in a really great way. I am eternally here for prickly, insensitive, hostile characters going through the long, painful, complicated process of learning to be better people. Eternally here for it, I tell you.

What I'm NOT here for is asshole characters being continually glorified for their assholery and treated - by the narrative - like they're smarter and better than all the pleebs who care about other people's feelings and make the effort not to be hurtful.

the metatextual re-writing wankery might be interesting from a process standpoint, but that doesn't actually make the end result good.

Like I said, YMMV. The plot for its own sake is so secondary to me, especially in a first episode of something. Give me characters that I feel for and that I deeply want to see more of and the rest can be whatever. The plot of the first episode excelled at it's number on purpose for me, which was allowing us to learn about the characters - how they think, what they'll do, what they won't do, etc.