[ SECRET POST #4727 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4727 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[sparklywalls]

Me neither with The Doctor. Yet it is a common thing for people to complain the ones they don't like are "not" The Doctor as well. It's an odd one. I'm not talking about people mourning the death of their fave (which is understandable) I mean the people who say they refuse to accept an incarnation for not being The Doctor. The whole point is that each incarnation has different quirks and personalities etc so I've never been able to understand that complaint.

[philstar22]

Yup. Happening now with the 13 haters who refus to aknowledge she's the Doctor because the Doctor, who has changed in every other respect before, can't be a woman and it has somehow ruined the show.

Then again, also happened with 10-only fans who insist that 10 is the only real Doctor (maybe 9 counts a little for some of them). Don't see as many of those any more, but back during 11's run there were a lot of people insisting he wasn't the Doctor. And during 10's run there were people insisting the old show didn't exist.

Like who you want, dislike who you want. But they are all the Doctor.

[sparklywalls]

Jodie felt right to me right from the start. I didn't feel like I was watching a woman being The Doctor, just The Doctor. Ok I will admit that when she was first announced it felt weird after having a man in the role for so long but I adjusted, I got over it. It's fine. I liked Missy as well.

Those 10 fans are why I only quietly admitted to being a 10 fan for years urgh. The other thing I hated was how much shit 12 got for being "old" even though, imo of course, Peter Capaldi is the best of the modern bunch if you go purely by acting prowess. He got some terrible scripts but his performance was still stand out.

I was born when the show was dying the first time around but my dad grew up watching it so as part of our father-daughter bonding, I would watch omnibus repeats on the UK Gold channel on Sundays in the 90s. I don't know if it's because I wasn't "there" for most the original run to get emotionally invested in one Doctor, but I've always accepted that The Doctor changes.

Exactly, they're all The Doctor regardless of our personal likes and dislikes. Literally don't watch a show where the entire premise is "weird alien thing can change face and body/shape" if you're going to dismiss anyone who isn't your fave. It's not difficult!

[(Anonymous)]

My first doctor was Eight, then after 'discovering' DW I went back and watched some sporadic seasons, so Four is probably my favourite of OldWho, but I love all of NuWho. Not equally, all of the seasons have episodes that don't resonate with me, and I wasn't a huge fan of Ten's leave because it was very... not doctory to me to be so petulant about the change.

But man, I loved Peter's run so much, and Jodie is amazing to me. I had the same feeling, that it wasn't watching someone try and be the Doctor, she was the Doctor. She just had that same air that I associate with all the others.

[sparklywalls]

I recently watched a video of all the regenerations and god I forgot exactly how much 10's annoyed me even as a fan. I just wanted him to "go" and get it over with. I was surprised though that in a series of out of context clips, 11's regeneration had me sobbing.

I go through phases with the old Doctors. When I was little I really liked Three, but of course like most people I went through a Four phase as well. I also like Five. I keep meaning to try and get into some of the audios because apparently they actually do Six the justice the series didn't (when you read about how Colin Baker was treated during the end of his tenure, it's hard not to feel really bad for him.)

[(Anonymous)]

Incomprehensible to me as well

At that point you're basically just rejecting the entire construct of Doctor Who as a fictional show, it seems to me

[sparklywalls]

Indeed. And if you're that bothered you can always stop watching but it feels like they don't!

I think there's an in-built mourning process in the show (often via the companions as audience surrogates) when the actor changes but it has been established for so long that you can't exactly hide from the fact the show prepares you for the inevitability of it happening.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's that there's more of an element of baked-in continuity with the Doctor because of the mechanism of regeneration? It's the same consciousness, in the same timeline/reality, and sort of the same body, in the sense that it's still the Doctor's body, just reshaped, and not a body stolen from someone else via possession or whatever. We're not talking a clone, or an alternate self, or a new host. It's all still the same being, in the same continuity and physical space. It might help the sense that they're all still the same person.

(Weirdly, this doesn't fully work for the Master, since he has actually body surfed several times when his regenerations ran out, but the Master tends to have a fairly ... distinct personality, to compensate)

[(Anonymous)]

Most of them have a big floppy coat, and I think that ongoing aesthetic helps establish them as the same character.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, the actresses playing Ruby didn't seem to make any effort at playing the same character in a different body. They were all very different (and badly acted, imo).

I would imagine it's very difficult as an actor to take on a role where you're playing the same character that someone else has originated but pretty much none of them make an effort to use the same mannerisms/speech cadence/etc to sell the 'same character' angle.

It can be done extremely well though. I'm looking at you Enver Gjokaj in Dollhouse.

[(Anonymous)]

As another nonny mentioned, the actor change is addressed in the show for Doctor Who (the regen episodes are their own thing and the beginning of each season is often the companion getting used to the new Doctor), where other shows don't bother. Like, in Sense8 it was really hard for me to reconcile the new Capheus with the old one, even with the off-hand, "You look different"/"New barber?" line in the first ep of season 2. But I was totally okay with the new VA for Leo in TMNT because they had an in-show reason: Shredder had damaged his voice box in the previous season finale, and he spent the first few eps of the next season mute while recovering only for everyone to find out that some of the damage was permanent and it had changed the way his voice sounded.