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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-12-31 06:22 pm

[ SECRET POST #4743 ]


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(Anonymous) 2020-01-01 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm gonna say I have to agree to disagree on this one. You're welcome to your opinion, but my main fandom is old shows with lots of subtext (intentional and not) and while the wink-wink is cute, it's also frustrating and exhausting. Older shows (like twenty years old or more) can sort of get away with it because it was so hard to get any representation where the queer characters didn't end up dead, a stereotype, or both, and that was with the characters we *knew* were queer. Subtext was basically the way to go. And for shows that are 20 years old or more, I can roll with it, because I grew up in the 80s/90s in a conservative-ish house and town, so I get it.

But now? Nope. No excuse. Now subtext like that--if it's intentional--is rightly called queerbaiting. Somebody doing intentional gay subtext in the 90s because otherwise their show won't pass the censors--sucks, but okay, other shit was going on. Shows now? It's basically to get brownie points without having to take any risks, and it's not really something I'm okay with.

And I get the appeal of wanting some characters to be ambiguous, to have that room to question. But there's also a real-world need going on, here, and hey, if you like your gay subtextual, as someone else said there's hundreds of years worth of media where the gay was subtextual.

TL;DR: You go with what you like, but I'm not surprised a lot of people don't agree with you. And yeah, I do think you're being a little blind re: the creators winking at you. Sometimes it really wasn't intended, and when the creators realized it, they backpedaled like crazy.