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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-01-16 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #4759 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4759 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Mandalorian]



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[linked for nudity at OP's request]


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06. [minor spoilers for The Witcher]


















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Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Let me try to put it another way.

So, take goth kids. Are they goth because that's somehow seen as cool by the world at large? No. Do they independently all realize they just LOVE black? Not generally speaking. By being goth they enter a community that will accept them, or at least most of them, and take on the traits of that community. (Disclaimer: sister was a goth. She did it as a matter of acceptance with peers and rebellion against adults.)

In other words, I'm not talking about the world at large, necessarily. I'm talking about fandom, which is a strange and generally isolated world.

I think it can be very tempting to people to fit themselves into roles to be a part of the community. If the community completely affirms trans, by which I mean, if you have gender dysphoria you MUST be trans. So affirmation, from what I have seen, means not acknowledging the potential use of waiting, or dealing with concurrent mental illness, which about 50% of people who suffer from gender dysphoria have, or trying to get at other issues that may be causing those feelings.

In my case, I'm in INTJ (a personality type). A whopping 5% of INTJ's are female. So, I 'think like a man'. Finding this out? BIG LIGHT BULB. I wish I'd known about it far earlier.

But suggesting this to someone who has gender dysphoria is considered transphobic and bigoted. IN FANDOM, where I spent most of my teenage years. That's where I'm coming from.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know where you're getting the idea that trans or GNC people aren't waiting long enough or getting mental assessments--in a lot of places, that is literally a prerequisite for any kind of medical transition.

I am also an INTJ woman--never been told it makes me think like a man, never questioned myself as anything but cis. So not really sure what you mean by that, either. People are different.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, you know the Briggs-Meyer chart was invented by a woman who wrote puff pieces for magazines and her mom? Your totally scientific "think like man" notions are about as grounded and rational as a Buzzfeed quiz that declares it can tell your personality type from your taste in vegetables.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying your ideas would get more traction if your BIG LIGHT BULB moment wasn't based on the pop psychology version of a Hogwarts House sorting quiz. I will say it's not helping your case.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Why is that any stupider than 'I always liked wearing pink, and didn't like trucks, boom, I must be trans'?

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT: Very few people in the trans community say that.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And most of the people in the trans community who do say that are being incredibly flippant because some chucklefuck has spent the last 30 minutes smugly interrogating them about their gender identity and they've lost their last shred of patience.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2020-01-17 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, like. We're given so much pressure to come up with a nice and simple little origin story that could be compressed into someone's screenplay, that kind of nice little symbolic moment. Yes, I have those moments in the past. But that's not the day to day crud of having to put on an act five or six days a week (I don't leave the house on the last day), of committing a dozen acts of self-censorship in a day, of overcompensating the blandness of my wardrobe so I don't get clocked and bashed.

Here's a thought experiment for the cis people here. Just imagine that every day of the week, you had to put on a fur suit and pretend to be Mickey Mouse. Almost everyone else is either Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck. You conduct all of your conversations in a falsetto. The world is made for big three-finger gloves. You turn on the TV and half the jokes are "Mickey and Donald don't understand each other." The stores are filled with variations on red pants with suspenders or sailor's suits.

If you had to do that every day for 40 years of your life, and if you don't, the other Mickeys and Donalds harass you or worse, wouldn't you get tired of it? Wouldn't you want just the tiniest bit of space to take off the fucking fursuit?