[ SECRET POST #4762 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4762 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

Do you mean the Return of the Jedi ending when you talk about Anakin's shitty redemption? Because you're probably going to be pretty alone on that one. That's one of the best-loved plots of the original trilogy.

[(Anonymous)]

Same

[(Anonymous)]

Yep.

[(Anonymous)]

Anakin's redemption gives Luke and Anakin closure, but is shit for everyone else that Vader killed.

[philstar22]

If he hadn't died he would have had to stand trial for those deaths. His death meant that he couldn't. But it wasn't like he was on the good side now and lived and everyone just ignored what he did. Redemption didn't erase his past, but it was redemption and he did die killing the Emperor (and probably saving a lot of lives besides his son's at that).

Personally I wished they'd gone the other route with Ben/Kylo. I wish we'd gotten him having to live with what he did, stand trial, and having to keep on living and making up for what he did. But that's because we already got the redemption equals death with Vader and so this felt like a rehash. The redemption equals death as a concept does work for me.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a two hour movie. It's possible for even a half-decent team to do a redemption-by-death storyline in two hours and make it satisfying. It'd take a really, really good team of writers, director, and actors to do a satisfying villain-lives-with-the-consequences storyline, especially when it's not the sole focus of the movie, and...well, this is Star Wars. Any given Star Wars movie is lucky if it has one of those things.

[philstar22]

I think they could have made it work. Just have him live and surrender himself to the Resistance. Not that hard, although admittedly that sort of storyline would have been more satisfying if it could have been Leia he surrendered himself too.

[(Anonymous)]

They would have to give us first some sort of reason why he would decide to switch sides and surrender himself to the Resistence. So they would have to show this huge shift from "willing to sacrifice people, his father included, for power" to "I repent", that's difficult to do in 15 minutes, especially without some previous groundwork for why he did the things he did (you have to be clear about motiovations to show them shift), unless you go with the old-and-tried "he was possessed/mind-controlled". Frankly speaking, that would be the most effective way of doing this whole plot. I don't know why they didn't double down on "he was manipulated by snoke/emperor" more. Yes, it's way less niuanced option, but at least it's something that could be easily done well in this weird aimless story structure they chose.

[(Anonymous)]

Redemption in atonement was what I was hoping for in TROS.