[ SECRET POST #4763 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4763 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[A Royal Night Out]


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[The Witcher]


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[His Dark Materials]


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[Fruits Basket]


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[Slayers]


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[Gary Sinise as Mac Taylor in CSI: NY]


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[Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, Magic Knight Rayearth]











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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

i loved will and i related to him a lot more too. im very internal like him. I'm glad they made him black in the show because that did inform how I expressed emotion and that connected with me. that said. I never had your visceral reaction to similar female protagonists. I think its very clear that similar characters to lyra were "role models" not in that they were supposed to be relatable, but in that a lot of female anger IS internal, and is socialized to stay internal or to be erased entirely, and there was an attempt to reverse such socialization by depicting expressed female anger with approbation instead of disapprobation. no offense, but no one thinks girls can't relate to male characters of ANY sort, we're expected to.

that said, I agree that will is meant to be the deuteragonist. its seems like more because lyra and will are connected and their motivations involve each other, but it's definitely about her. people who feel like she was reduced to a love interest don't really seem to get the themes being explored tho.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a fantastic take!

[(Anonymous)]

but no one thinks girls can't relate to male characters of ANY sort, we're expected to.

I agree with most of your take but this part is really generalized and not my experience at all. If there's a female main character and male deuteragonist or sidekick, girls are expected to relate to the girl character. Or rather it's taken for granted that we do and treated with surprise if we say we relate to the boy. If there's a male protagonist and female deuteragonist or sidekick, we're also expected to relate to the girl. It's the same if there's a group of main characters with only one girl. The Girl is there to be the token for girls to relate to and aim to be like.

The only time girls are expected to relate to a male character is when there are no major female characters at all. Which is still a common occurrence mind you, but it hardly results in a default state of girls being expected to relate to male characters.

[meadowphoenix]

im well aware of the smurfette principle, but relegating young girls imaginations to only other fictional girls (which happens regardless of whether there is one girl or no girls and which i personally believe is about reinforcing gender roles, i.e. either play the girl or don't play) isn't the same thing as expecting only the girl to hold literary interest. even with, especially with, girls as the primary protagonist, girls are expected to be aware and generally like and connect with the whole cast of protagonist characters, and this is more true the more complicated and specific the female protagonist is. see: katniss.

I think girls are policed to make sure they don't relate to fictional boys too much to like overthrow the patriarchy lol, but socially I don't agree that there was a general disapprobation for liking the boy characters best. or rather i think there's a difference between a conversation on representation that states baldly the lack in media for direct female representation, and the actuality that girls are supposed both the female and male characters in a way that is in no way reciprocated. little women wrt laurie is a GREAT microcosm of this. that said, microsocial groups exist and idk what yours was like.