[ SECRET POST #673 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

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Comments

[annwyd.livejournal.com]

Why? because in a show with predominantly white characters, maybe one or two minority characters... if there were no interracial relationships there, it would be racist, and if you said well it's "not for" minorities, it would be twice as bad.

Saying that something is "not for" minorities is different than saying that something is "not for" a privileged group, though. Frankly, the privileged group can cope; they've gotten all the cake for this long. The minority group, on the other hand, has had to put up with things being "not for" them all the time for ages, and it's getting old. (Yes, this applies even to preteens and young teens; most of the kid shows and Disney movies they watched were centered on straight white people, usually with males as the active hero.)

Anyway, I'm not defending the show. From what I've seen in the comments, it's pretty awful to all races. I agree that it's good to have interracial relationships and to avoid stereotyping any race in fiction (and reality). But I was bothered by the "what about the white people?!" vibe of the secret.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but it remains prejudiced. It's the same problem rabid feminists have, and rabid/crazy vegans (nothing against the sane feminists and the sane vegans); It can't be equal, it's gotta go one step further, and this group has to be better than the original group, and I'm fed up with it. It would be like me saying that I want to marry my girlfriend, but straight people shouldn't be allowed to get married, cause they get divorced all the time anyway.

Besides that, if it's "not for" the "privileged" group (I really hate that word in this context) then aim it at adults. Children should not have to deal with that bullshit. Children should not be raised to think "well, this is JUST FOR ME cause I'm black", it creates more segregation and more prejudice between races, believe it or not. If adults want to keep that bullshit up, go for it, but it's easy to make something where everyone feels a part: black, white, green, purple, polka dotted, etc. it doesn't have to be one single group. Sure, someone will find something offensive in EVERYTHING... even when there's nothing there... but for the most part, t's It teaches racism, prejudice, etc, at a grade 1 level. Vicious circle, etc.

Maybe I'm just pissed off because thats how my Indian cousin learned to basically avoid the fuck out of white people that weren't in his family, and because all my biracial cousins got shit from BOTH sides. Black/Chinese/Indian and White, ironically enough, MORE from the non-whites. Heh. Funny how that goes. But that's how it gets taught, and it's really fucking disgusting that it's still going on today.

[annwyd.livejournal.com]

Okay, if you really think that having a TV show aimed specifically at a given minority is "going too far" because it is equivalent to telling straight people that they're not allowed to get married, this isn't going to go anywhere.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

No, I think it's upsetting when it's aimed at children. If you'd read my response, if adults want to do it, thats fine. I still think it's pathetic (as pathetic as a show 'aimed at white people' is...), especially when shows "aimed at black people" (apparantly) can be enjoyed by everyone, etc.

But a show, "aimed at *minority*" marketed to children, with shit like "only ever date people with the same skin color as you!" really pisses me off. For instance, Sinbad had a sitcom for awhile, and on one show, the little girl in it (neice I think) went to a little fashion show or whatever, one of those things country clubs put together... And she ran crying back to sinbad because she was told she wasn't pretty enough- her skin was too dark, it didn't match the 'paper bag'. They confronted this kind of issue, which is the kind of thing that a show like The Proud Family, aimed at kids, really should be doing... not black kids only ever dating black kids, and so on.

I think I should elaborate though, on my point- Yeah, I get racial humor, that's fine. But when a show is advocating the "stick to your own kind" type of thing, whether with relationships or just friendships, it's absolutely horrendous. I'm guessing you misunderstood because I didn't elaborate. Sorry about that. (Also, my analogy appeared to make more sense along the crazy/rabid vegan/feminist line of thinking now that I reread it)

[annwyd.livejournal.com]

Well, if this show specifically has had aesops saying "only ever date people with the same skin color as you!" I agree that's shitty and racist. But I don't think simply not having interracial relationships is the same as condemning them. Lots of people date within their own race. Saying that black people and black characters should date outside their own race to "set an example for the childrens" makes no sense.

I may have been a little hasty to jump into this argument, though, as like I said, I don't know the show itself; I just didn't like the tone of the secret. If the show really does advocate "stick to your own kind," then I agree that's awful. I just don't think having a primarily black cast and not having interracial relationships is the same as advocating a "stick to your own kind" approach.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

It's not so much specifically, but they were only ever shown as being interested in the same race, which may not be the same thing, but children are pretty impressionable (I jumped out from behind a corner and karate chopped my mom, from watching too much power rangers).

It's not just the black characters tho, it's the white characters too- I'm certainly not saying that same-race relationships are BAD, simply that a show that is portraying them as being the only option, really sucks. There were no biracial characters on the show, and it was a very stereotype laden show, for sure, right down to geeky white girl thing. I guess it also bothered me that the black chick with 'lighter' skin was portrayed as sweet and kind, and the 'darker' girl was portrayed as loud and obnoxious, which is another issue in itself. :/ Like I say, I'm more sensitive to the biracial/interracial relationships thing because of how many people in my family are biracial or are in interracial relationships, and have gotten flack for it. It's still depicted negatively in todays world, and needs more positive depictions, especially in media directed towards children.

For instance, the show 6teen has both inter and and same-race relationships, very casually, no big deal. It's certainly a good way of portraying them without shoving it in the face of the viewer. (and there's a sporty girl, a sweet but ditsy girl, and a "i am so not girly" girl, as well as main characters of many races- white, Chinese, Spanish (I'm not sure if he's supposed to be Mexican or like, ethnically FROM SPAIN), black, etc... but it's also a Canadian show. Maybe that makes a difference, I know that there's A LOT of anti-racism activity here, and in my schools growing up). Again, sorry if I came off as a dick by not properly explaining what I meant.

I think the main problem that you and others have had with the secret is the word "racist" instead of prejudiced, because apparently racism can't exist within a race against each other, or from a minority to a majority, and should be called prejudice. Where I am we call it all racism, and it's ALL bad, so, yeah, that doesn't even phase me.