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⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

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While I don't think I'd compare it to South Park, I agree. Kodomo no Jikan is more about psychological issues than ZOMG PEDOPHILIA!!1!

Also, there's no sex in it, nor is Rin 'sexually promiscuous', what the hell. It's less offensive than the actual real Lolita, which has sex between a minor and her stepfather as the main plot, has been in print since the 50s, and is widely available.

I'm sorry, but I'm willing to bet that Lolita has more literary value than Kodomo no Jikan.

Sure it does - it's a classic for a reason. I'm willing to bet that Lolita has more literary value than roughly 100% of anime and manga we see published. But I also disagree that Jikan is somehow 'too much' for American audiences, or bad because it touches subjects we consider to be taboo.

If you don't like a series, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be published (although I can see why no publishing company over here would touch it, especially with how easy it seems to be to misunderstand where the series is coming from). I mean, hell - we published Jungle de Ikou, and that, to me, was about 100x more offensive than Jikan.

Okay, I'll put it this way: America is ban-happy on shit nowadays. Kodomo no Jikan MIGHT get better, but how does it look at first? It looks like a 3rd grader is trying to have sex with her teacher. And in a world where a first impression can get you hired or fired, this shit will not fly. If some conservative group got their hands on Kodomo no Jikan, how long do you think it would be before they banned all 16+ anime and manga? I'm sorry, but regardless of how 'good' or 'bad' Kodomo no Jikan might be, I'd rather it just not get translated than for it to be translated, have people boycott anime and manga, and we end up losing shows a thousand times better than that in the process.

This is also the same reason why I hope a half-dozen of my favorite series never get picked up for translation. I love them to bits, but they're too sexual and controversial for American parents.

The Supreme Court's already stated that depictions of minors engaged in sexual acts are legal as long as no real minors are involved. And if conservative activists were going to protest something, they'd have far better fodder in something like Kite, Princess 69, or Jungle de Ikou, which have been licensed in America for years and are far worse than Jikan (Kite particularly).

There's also the fact that the anime industry has suffered a lot recently, none of which had to do with what got licensed and what didn't, and had more to do with companies over expanding farther than they should have and the widespread availability of downloads. There aren't as many companies putting out anime as there were five years ago, so I really don't think we need to worry about any of them risking money and reputation in a bad economy on not-quite-pedo-pantyshots at this point. Even Tokyopop, which is by all means probably the most successful manga house in America now, recently dropped several dozen underperforming titles.

So basically, I don't even think we have to worry about the scenario you're proposing because: 1. the industry can't currently support it, and 2. there are already titles on the American market that are worse. But mostly, I was replying because the going sentiment seems to be "This series is horrible pedophilia and should never see the light of day because I find it objectionable", and I don't really find it true in this case, or agree with it.

And personally, I don't care if it gets licensed or not, because I can read it online for free.

"Willing to bet"?

It's NABOKOV

Okay, she's "sexually precocious" then.

I've only heard about it through 2nd hand sources so I can't be totally accurate.

Yeah, that's accurate.

Personally, for my money, Kite was much, much more disturbing - I just see Jikan as a silly series that's not worth getting offended over.

I'm sorry you're illiterate.

I haven't seen Kodomo no Jikan at all, but one of the reasons that Lolita has come to be a socially acceptable representation of pedophilia is that it resuls in Lolita being miserable, getting really fucked up, feeling trapped, running away, and dying at the age of 17, while at the same time portraying her stepfather and abuser as self-critical and ultimately well aware that he's a monster and he destroyed her life, even if the realisation comes too late.

tl;dr Lolita is acceptable because it shows that pedophilia is horrible and destroys lives, even if it doesn't preach it.

I have no idea what Kodomo no Jikan is about, but my point is that the way characters and relationships and their consequences are represented has a lot more moral weight than whether there's sex or how graphic it is.

Having read both, Kodomo no Jikan is pretty well an homage to Lolita. Yes, there are panty shots, yes there are bath scenes, but overall, yes it also shows that Rin's caretaker is a creepy fuck that has no business raising a kid (and even then, he's like "I'll wait until she's sixteen before I have my merry way with her ufufufu").

But personally, I'm against the idea that something has to have 'literary merit' to be translated into English anyway, and that's part of the reason I spoke up.

Well hell, I read and watch plenty of trash too. There are issues with the idea of 'literary merit' to begin with, let alone whether non-literature deserves translation. I just wanted to make the distinction that it's not always about whether or not sex is portrayed, but how, since your original comment referred only to the sexual explicitness of Lolita rather than the meaning attached to it. Sure, sex can be offensive, but I'd find a non-erotic apologia for pedophilia more offensive than the sex scenes in Lolita.

So, not criticing you exactly, just wanted to make a distinction there.

Word on pretty much everything you just said here. I have a huge problem with people saying stuff should never see the light of day because they have a moral issue with it, because where do we draw the line? And is it okay to say that in the case of Kodomo no Jikan, but not, say, Loveless? And yeah, your distinction makes sense, and I agree with it - I just don't think Jikan is an apology for pedophilia. (also, the sex scenes in Lolita were kind of loltastic and vague anyway. Y SO FLOWERLY!~~~~!!)

And no, you're fine. You're being civil compared to most of the other people that've replied. XD

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