[ SECRET POST #4769 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4769 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I just don't agree that other Trek series don't have the same values and messages that the original series does. Equality, being okay with each other's differences, a lot of other social justice issues (the Federation was and has always been socialist, for crying out loud). Those things are very much at the heart of all the other Trek series except maybe Discovery.

You mention the first interracial kiss in TOS, well DS9 has the first homosexual kiss.

Just, the idea that only TOS had these themes is so ludicrous to me. That's the kind of thing that was only being said by fans way back in the early seasons of TNG when people just weren't sure about it yet.

[(Anonymous)]

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Disco does a lot better at equality than DS9 does, that's just a fact.
The kiss in DS9 is nowhere close to being of the same significance as the kiss between Uhura and Kirk.
In TOS the kiss was essentially done off script, it happened because the layout of the scene made it clear what they were supposed to do. They went along with the shot despite getting criticism not to, it's the first actual interracial kiss that aired on television.
DS9 was not the first gay, or even lesbian kiss on air. They created the entire episode to make that one moment happen, and they couldn't even be bothered to do it right. The 'rules' of the symbiont's and the host's relationships with one another was convoluted and nonsensical. Jadzia was yet again thrown to the side lines because Dax's was horny for a past /heterosexual/ lover. The rule that two hosts are allowed to become intimate, but never see each other again once they change hosts is just plain stupid. And we're supposed to believe that the host of a symbiont who was once involved in an intimate relationship with Dax just shows up despite there being laws that discourage this. She pursues Jadzia despite her protests against it, and essentially forces Jadzia to acknowledge their feelings for each other. Feelings between the symbiont's from a past encounter, not any kind of relationship Jadzia might have had with the other host.

It's not so much that the other series didn't have them, but that they were taken in their own very unique ways.

[(Anonymous)]

They used a scifi method to do something on tv that normally would be difficult to do in order to give an important message, just like TOS. We get it, you are a TOS-only fan. But the other series do deal with the same themes, and you can't pretend otherwise just because they don't deal with them in a way you'd like. Stick to TOS if that's you're thing. But you are simply wrong that the other series aren't like TOS. They are just as much Star Trek and just as much about the same hopeful vision and themes. They continue what TOS started.