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Yeah, and usually I don't think about it that much, since it really isn't that important most of the time. With Harry, I just became annoyed with all the fic where he was a large, muscled Adonis to Draco's short, fine-boned graceful beauty.

I've pretty much gotten to the point where if I'm reading fic that doesn't have only a very small difference in their height, it turns into badfic. Whether or not I keep reading it after that point depends entirely on how masochistic I'm feeling.

I agree-- the initial move is going to be made by [other character of choice] here, if only because Harry is bad at noticing that people have feelings for him. XD

1) I can't stand Harry in OotP, so I just don't read fics where he is channeling his OotP-self. The other OotP version that people like to play a lot is "oh, woe is me!" emo!Harry, which also isn't right. Dear fandom, update your characterizations to at LEAST HBP, plzkthnx.

3) For sure-- most especially, realising that people think of themselves as his friend/want to be his friend, instead of just some figurehead.

4) I find Harry's forgiveness of Draco pre-DH to be one of the more interesting sides of the pairing, and it (as well as what happens with Snape) show clearly the degree to which Harry sees the world in black&white-- good intentions? Couldn't follow through? Felt bad about it in the end? Then obviously you aren't a bad person, or at least not anymore. (Not to get into the fact that Snape was a bad, bad man on all levels who didn't deserve an homage to him in Harry's youngest child. >_>;)

5) Agreed-- that's why it's just a character aspect/flaw, and not the entirety of him. He's not an angry person-- he's just got a huge freakin' temper. (That said-- I don't have my copy here with me [of any of the books], but I don't think we got a ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, I'M TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKING DEATH EATERS etc etc build up to the curse, it was just a OH NO YOU DIDN'T moment. But interpretation of the scene is totally open, and my gripe is mostly that JKR doesn't say it, and that the Unforgivables were utterly okay to be cast in DH, it seemed.

I've pretty much gotten to the point where if I'm reading fic that doesn't have only a very small difference in their height, it turns into badfic.

Yes, exactly. It's incredibly frustrating. Every time I see a mention of Harry noticing that Draco is shorter than him, I back-button immediately. If Draco is taller, I usually give it a chance (since that's incredibly rare amongst the recs I usually browse), but if the difference is almost a foot, I know I'll most likely be looking at a helpless bottom!Harry in a little while.

1) Yeah, he's incredibly volatile, and it's exhausting to read. It's not that I don't understand why he acts that way, but it's depressing in the long run. (I was surprised when I reread it and found that he only raged and screamed at people twice in the whole year, though - I'd remembered him angrier. Though fandom's exaggerations may have had a role in that.) And YES PLEASE to people updating their characterisation.

3) Yeah, and since he doesn't make efforts to make friends himself...

4) Haha, I found the exact same behaviour to show the exact opposite! By that I mean that I read that as Harry realising that certain behaviour has reasons, and that surface perceptions can be dead wrong. Seeing things in black and white would mean not being able to forgive horrible deeds for any reason, since a horrible deed is a horrible deed anyway you look at it, wouldn't it?

5) This is interesting, because I totally think it was a natural part of the flow at that time. I've seen people say they thought it wasn't clear why he did it before, and I wonder if it could be about cultural differences? What we're generally used to in our media, and how things are implied in it? Comparing British and U.S. murder mystery programmes, for example (both of which we get a lot of here in Sweden), the storytelling and the dropping of hints are done rather differently.

The unforgivables warrant a discussion of their own, I think, heh. But one aspect may be to show what Harry's temper can do, when he's so provoked. He's not angry that often, but when he gets angry, he gets really angry. XD

I don't click back if the difference in height is small, no matter who it's favouring-- but if it's anything more than that, I know it's going to be baaaaaaad. Though I have read some fics where they made the insane height difference part of the plot, which makes me (slightly) more inclined towards forgiveness.

4) Hahaha, that's why interpretation can be so awesome, sometimes. xD I don't think seeing in black and white means you can never forgive-- at least for Harry, it doesn't. But the moment he's given a reason to forgive, the person immediately is not a bad person in his mind-- in Snape's case, just because he acted out of love for Lily, all his actions were suddenly forgivable. All his bad just got glossed over-- and he became one of the bravest men Harry ever knew. I can see where you could see that as him seeing shades of grey, but I totally don't.

5) I'm not really sure. I'm from Canada, and so I grew up on British murder mysteries, and then started watching American ones when I got older. It might just be a question of how sensitive a person is to that sort of thing?

I don't click back if the difference in height is small, no matter who it's favouring

I just can't take it when Harry is taller, because that means he'll be the dominant partner (I don't know why but it always does), and that clashes too much with my interpretation of his character (it also contradicts canon, of course, but you could say that he had another growth spurt after he defeated Voldemort, I suppose). Since I see him as relating to Draco as to an equal, and that being a really big part of why I like the pairing so much, I don't like him being a "seducer", so to speak.

In fact, I can easily imagine Harry feeling a lot less confident in social settings than Draco would. And then there's Harry's general awkwardness, and him being a bit of a dork (though the dorkiness goes equally for Draco, mind XD). Not to mention his inability to realise when someone likes him, as you mentioned before.

4) Oh yeah, and Harry's world view is really hard to prove; there's mostly circumstantial evidence. We know what he has done, but how can the actions be interpreted? There are several ways, to be sure.

But the moment he's given a reason to forgive, the person immediately is not a bad person in his mind

Very few people are completely bad, though. That's what I mean about him not having a black and white world view - despite his dislike of Snape, he acknowledges the good deeds he had done. He still dislikes Draco quite a lot personally, while being able to forgive and feel pity. I thought it made him see the world in a more nuanced way.

just because he acted out of love for Lily, all his actions were suddenly forgivable.

I thought he just forgave him for killing Dumbledore, though? And a lot of the behaviour connected to him fooling Voldemort. Maybe the everyday insults and humiliations paled in the light of what he'd had to bear? (Not that I'm trying to convince you, really! It's just my own musings.)

And that goes back to what I talked about earlier, that Harry has a rather tender heart, and tend to let go of grudges easily.

5) Yeah, it was just a thought, nothing I really believe. I have noticed that in U.S. media, almost everything tends to be verbalised. But I agree that it most likely depends on individual sensitivity.

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