[ SECRET POST #4782 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4782 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

There seems to be something about the Doctor Who fandom (and the Star Wars fandom too) that makes the fans feel like they are owed exactly what they want. They think they have a literal right to their desires being exactly met by the creators. I haven't stumbled across this in any other fandom, just these two. I'm not sure why these fandoms are like this, but it is so ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Star Trek fandom and superhero comics fandom, too. I think the common denominator is long-running with lots of male fans. And in a lot of cases, the fanboys of days past are now in charge. Sometimes this works well (Gene Luen Yang, Peter Capaldi) and sometimes it's shit (CB Cebulski, Bendis).

[philstar22]

I don't know about comic fandom, but I've been in the Trek fandom, and it has never seemed nearly as bad as the Who or Star Wars fandoms to me. Kind of bad, sure, but not nearly to the same level. I haven't seen the same attacking the creators and actors in public, claiming the stuff they don't like isn't "real canon," and just the pure outrage and shock when the creators don't follow their exact desires.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it helps that the Star Trek series are pretty separate. Like, you can watch and enjoy Deep Space Nine without ever having seen TOS or Next Generation (which is how I got into ST, lol). Who and Star Wars are both long-running and all take place in a very interconnected way, so it's not nearly as easy to dislike part of it without that affecting the other things that you do enjoy.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, many different types of thing in the same medium

Star Wars has included a bunch of different things, tonally and aesthetically. Superhero comics have a bunch of different subgenres within them. And Doctor Who has been like a million different TV shows at various times. So fans end up defining what the show should look like to suit themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

Star Trek fandom has always had massive female participation, though (who drove the campaign to get TOS a third season, hmm?), to the point that my default mental image of a typical Star Trek fan has always been "middle aged woman." The general public's mental image got stuck on "nerdy young man" though.

[(Anonymous)]

This is quite a... strange comment. There is a lot of well done criticism of how Doctor Who and Star Wars have been changed and how it affected the quality of the story telling.

Your comment implies that the critics should be viewed as demanding what is owed them, and that they shouldn't have that presumption. That's a crappy attitude.

I have always- for decades- wanted a female Jedi, a female Timelord, but I don't like how either have been handled in the respective franchises.

Yes, I have the right to state my opinion, my thoughts, about what has been done, and what has been changed.

[philstar22]

There are different kinds of critics, though. You're not the kind I'm talking about. People who just don't like what has been done aren't the problem. The people who think that the creators owe them exactly what they want are the problem, and yes those elements exist in those two fandoms.