[ SECRET POST #4785 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4785⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Fenris kills slavers and is only really shown to do that once I believe, he never has a breakdown about it either, since he believes he's right to kill slavers after what he's gone through. He's also put in comparison with Anders who constantly makes racist and pro-slavery remarks at him. It's not that hard to figure out when there's a literal terrorist standing beside him trying to stab him in the back the entire time.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm talking about the Fog Warriors Fenris mentions to the player character if you stop by the mansion. He's pretty drunk when he recalls it. He joined them for a while and they would have helped free him from his master when he shows up, but Fenris killed them all then ran away.

Even so, lots of players love Fenris and find his tragic backstory to be compelling. But I compared him to Anakin because they were both slaves that killed people and then confessed to someone they loved. Fanbase adores Fenris, though the people he killed (Fog Warriors) were entirely innocent and trying to help him. At least in the case of the sand people, they had killed Anakin's mum.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Wasn't it that Danarius catches up to Fenris as he tries to escape and orders him to kill the Fog Warriors for trying to help him. Fenris doesn't want to, but Danarius still has mind control over him so he doesn't have a choice. I just find that Fenris is a very strange character to match with Darth Vader of all people. It's not as if he's some ultimate evil overlord or anything.

[(Anonymous)]

There was no mind control because Fenris kills them and runs away. Couldn't have run away if his master had mind control over him. He would have gone back with Danarius if that were the case.

I dunno. The slavery backstory and killing people that they confessed to loved ones is what made me think of the Anakin and Fenris connection.

Considering Anakin's journey ends with him returning to the light he's not the ultimate evil overlord either (that's Palpatine).

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

The reason he tells the story was to tell the story of how he escaped slavery, being forced to kill those people allowed him to begin to break the control enough to escape, it was a mind over matter thing and something he's ashamed of. You see it again when you do his personal quest. His lyrium scars were engraved into him as a way for Danarius to control him. I mean, if you see the connection that's fine, but it just seems very vague to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Anakin was also pretty messed up by what he did to the sandpeople though. He sobs and knows what he did was wrong and that he should be better than this.

With Fenris, he's also ashamed. And I don't think it was a matter of force. He was able to run away from his master immediately after killing the Fog Warriors. But he killed them instead of standing with them against his master, and for that he's ashamed. They died and he ran away. Danarius may have wanted to control Fenris, but he couldn't since Fenris got away. But to say that the lives of the Fog Warriors are somehow some kind of price that had to be paid is silly. They were completely innocent.

Yet lots of people forgive Fenris of this. They don't find it creepy that he killed a bunch of innocent people, they feel bad for him.

And, yes, he has a tragic history of slavery. So does Anakin. Which is why I'm saying that his killing of the sandpeople isn't necessarily a great example of him being "creepy"" depending on personal interpretation. Because, as we see with the reaction to Fenris, that did not at all hamper people's enjoyment of him as a character.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Okay, this is what I can find on Fenris via the wiki:

During Questioning Beliefs, Hawke learns that Fenris has obtained considerable knowledge of Qunari culture and practices; a result of him being left behind by his master after a battle between the Tevinter mages and the Qunari on Seheron. His injuries were treated by Fog Warriors and he spent several months living with them before Danarius returned to retrieve Fenris. The Fog Warriors refused to give him up, and Danarius was injured in the subsequent battle. Danarius ordered Fenris to kill the Fog Warriors who had defended him, which he did. He indicates regret at doing so, but apparently still had a lingering propensity to do as commanded upon the return of his master. It was this event that caused Fenris to leave his master, taking advantage of the delay in pursuit that Danarius's injuries offered.

Fenris was able to escape the first time because Danarius left him behind in order to fight against the Qunari, and he was able to leave again because of the injuries Danarius sustained during the battle with the Fog Warriors. It's plays out like any typical breaking the mind control once ordered to do anything completely horrible trope. I'm not saying he's perfectly innocent in the matter, but doing as ordered by someone who mutilated, mind controls, and owns you, is a lot more sympathetic to me, than destroying a whole town in vengeance after watching your mother get killed someone from there.
I do agree that what Anakin to the sand people did isn't what I would call creepy, unsettling maybe, but not creepy.

It's been forever since I watched Star Wars, or played DA:2, but even in the general scope of things Anakin's actions with the sandpeople are part of what drives him to become Darth Vader, he becomes more corrupted as time goes on, regardless of whatever redemption he has in the end. While Fenris' actions are the final straw that allows him to finally escape his slavery, he'll continue to hunt down slavers both to kill and free their slaves, but that's basically it. His prime target is Danarius, and him alone. His worst end is selling him back into slavery, there is no end where he becomes corrupted by power or goes on an insane murderous rampage. What happened is horrible, and even of you hold him fully responsible for the killing of the Fog Warriors, he is still more sympathetic in the long run compared to what Darth Vader builds and becomes.