[ SECRET POST #4835 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4835 ⌋

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Comments

[thewakokid]

Is this Gor? I have no idea what this is, but the way you're talking about it reminds me of Gor.

[(Anonymous)]

No, Sword of Truth books by Terry Goodkind.

[thewakokid]

Ah.

Is the philosophy of that particularly... shameful?

[(Anonymous)]

The author is super into Objectivism and Ayn Rand. It is a bit in the earlier books, but it shows up more and more and basically takes over after about book 4. From book 5 on they are more objectivism screeds than fantasy books.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, even for an outspoken objectivtist, he's very stupid. And just an infamously bad writer on many, many different levels.

Two famous standout scenes are the bit where the main character fights a terrifying evil chicken and the bit where the main character heroically slaughters a group of peace protesters, quote, "armed only with their hatred for moral clarity".

[ninefox]

I mean, I feel like the chicken thing COULD be good. A chicken is just a small t-rex , after all.

Anybody know any not-libertarian high fantasy featuring evil chicken duels?

[tree_and_leaf]

The chicken scene was ridiculous, but it didn't HAVE to be. I got accidentally shut in a hen house as a small child, and it was a genuinely unnerving experience, so I can definitely see terrifying evil chickens working, it just... didn't.

[tabaqui]

Omg Gor. My brother had some of those books and yes, I read them.....

[philstar22]

My dad owns one. He never read it, it was gifted to him at some point and he just stuck it with his scifi collection. He had no idea whatsoever what those books were actually about.

[tabaqui]

BWAAAAAAAA.

I read four or five. I'm into BDSM, but even back then, as a 12/13 year old, I bristled at his stupid 'women need this blah blah' crap. Made me want to hit things.

[philstar22]

Yup. I like BDSM too. But not the "Women are always submissive, men are always dominant" kind of BDSM that Gor is. Also I like the rules associated with BDSM. Safe, sane, consensual. Gor BDSM gets rid of that.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, the guy who wrote the Gor books would be/probably was utterly insufferable in real life. Yerk.

[philstar22]

Probably. I believe there is a subset of the BDSM community who follows the Gor model where women are always submissive and there are no safewords or rules. I hope the author feels guilty about inspiring that, but somehow I think he might actually be proud of that fact.

[tabaqui]

Ew.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, there are some Gorians in the BDSM community. Not sure how they actually feel about total power exchange, it's been years.

[dantesspirit]

Yes.

I don't know if it's still true now, mind, but back in the 90s especially, the 'Tuchuks' of the SCA were based off the Gor series.

I've not been a member since 2001, so no idea if that still holds true or not.

[dantesspirit]

I own nearly the entire series, all secondhand. Bought them back in the 90s before I knew better. Heh.

[tabaqui]

HA. I liked the idea of an opposite, hidden earth, and the aliens that brought the humans there (wasn't that how it was?), and the world in general.

I could have just done without all the misogyny.

[dantesspirit]

Holy crow, he's still writing them O.o

apparently there are now 35 books.

I have the first 23. Or is it 24? I don't remember, they're relegated to the bottom shelf of a bookcase, with other books in front of them.


Yes, the world building it self was great, the misogyny, not so much.

[tabaqui]

Jesus, really? That's insane.

[dantesspirit]

Yeah. I have through 24, never could find an original copy of 25 and eventually gave up.

Apparently the latest was released last year. He's 88 now.

https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/john-norman/

https://www.amazon.com/Gorean-Saga-34-Book-Series/dp/B01LX7LBEI

[tabaqui]

Omg. I am....kinda squicked now.

[dantesspirit]

Yeah, I read the descriptions for the newer books and I just.. nope. NopeNopeNope.

My husband has never read them. He took one look at the *covers* (which they apparently rereleased with newer, more fantasy style ones) and said they made him cringe.

[tabaqui]

I had to go look. From the first review of book 35: "An astoundingly easy read, for a Gorean novel...."

Omg. Dude. They're not fucking War & Peace or some philosophical treatise. They're porn with a thinly-applied plot. Yeesh.

[dantesspirit]

It's obvious *he* wrote the descriptions. I mean, really-

"Packed with action, and, as usual, presented with a spicy dressing of cultural relativism and critical remarks on modernity and gender relations. "

Critical remarks, my ass. It's abuse porn, plain and simple. I just wish my 90s self had known, so I could have avoided them. Heh.