[ SECRET POST #4836 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4836 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/lYou8yI.jpg

[philstar22]

I love this kind of relationship. It is my second favorite kind of ship, after villain x villain ships. Villains being obsessed with heroes are totally my cup of tea. But I get why others might not like them. Frankly, I think some of the fandom has a tendency to romanticize these ships whereas I like them for the horrifying, creepy things they are. Give me all the dark, twisted obsessions.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I tend to appreciate these ships for what they are. I loved both shows.

[(Anonymous)]

Me too. I even like the less dark versions where the hero is a morality chain for the villain becoming a better person.

[philstar22]

I love those versions too. And I even like some versions where the villain turns good, as long as it is believable. It is just that most of the time they aren't believably done.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the darker aspects of their personalities go away, and I think they will likely keep making a lot of the same choices because that's what they want to do.

I do think they believe they're in love, and that's what interests me. I don't like those fandoms for the stories that end with them choosing to stop and settling down. I want to read about every other possible conclusion.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I loved the first 1.5 seasons of Hannibal, but I didn't like Will/Hannibal. I'm too much of a goody-goody. I also stopped watching because I didn't like that Hannibal always came out on top; no one was ever going to beat him, and I didn't like that "heroic character embraces the dark side for love" was the 'happy' ending.

(That said, Killing Eve is on my current watchlist.)

[(Anonymous)]

i get why you wouldn't be into either of these tbh given you don't like the inherently dark nature of both ships, and that's fine! we don't have to like the same things or enjoy them in the same way and i fully respect your opinion when it comes to both these ships.

personally i love twisty messy ships like these, but only as their truly fucked-selves and not because they're gonna get better or end happily. they won't, that's the point and why i like them.

Well, it is canon in Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

I guess you could interpret it as all one big manipulation (and there were a lot of manipulations in the show, so), but Will asks Hannibal's psychiatrist (and accessory? victim? - it's complicated) if Hannibal is in love with Will and she says yes.

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[(Anonymous)]

True.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny, I was discussing Hannibal with someone the other day and was thinking about making this exact secret (well, about Hannibal...I haven't watched Killing Eve).

In the conversation the other day, they made an offhand comment about fucked up things one character did because they loved the other so much (trying to keep it vague to avoid spoiling things for people who haven't seen it and want to) and I'm just like...no. That's not love, that's abuse. "But [character] loved it, so it's not abuse!" No, sorry, I don't buy that.

It's weird, because I generally love dark, disturbing things, and I've been into some fucked up relationships, but I think the difference is that with the others it's always seemed more equal to me. Here it seemed more one-sided, and that bothered me.

It sucks because in theory the show should be exactly my kind of thing, I just couldn't really get into it.

[lilacsigil]

Oh, definitely, Hannibal never stops abusing Will. It's very dark. Villanelle/Eve is slightly lighter I think because Eve hasn't been as seduced into the killer mindset as Will was, even though she went very dark on more than one occasion.

[feotakahari]

I’ve seen some nice stuff where the villain loves the hero, but I’m not really fond of having the hero love the villain back. It’s more fun to have the villain obsess over what they can never have.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see it for Will and Hannibal since he he treats Will is very unique compared to everyone else, but I don't buy it as far as Killing Eve is concerned. Hannibal's interaction comes of as a sort of gruesome fascination while Villanelle seems to have the same sort of obsession every few years or whatever to the same type of person and they always end up dead. (as far as I can remember)
I'm fine with unhealthy relationships, so things like cannibalism and dependency doesn't bother me, but it does have to be interesting. Will and Hannibal have the potential (and very much did) to go there, while the relationship between Eve and Villanelle seem to rely too much on the ill fated possible romance angle with not enough cohesive characterization to back it up.

It's been forever since I watched them though, so some of this might just be me projecting.

[rosehiptea]

I never even tried watching Hannibal because cannibalism is way too big a squick for me. But that's the reason I don't watch Killing Eve. I love f/f in general but that particular kind of twisted relationship just doesn't work for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Hannibal is a really good show, and I found it very intriguing. But I've always felt very ambivalent about Will and Hannibal's relationship. It works for me as far the show goes, but I could never become fannish about it, because I just don't see how it can go anywhere.

I think my brain does not interpret fundamentally toxic relationships as the presence of something, but as the absence of something. There's just no "there" there, in my mind. No path, no mode of progression.

For me, I think in order for a ship to "work," there has to be a way forwards towards something good. Otherwise, there's nothing there for me to hang onto with it. I don't know what I could hope for, for Will and Hannibal. There is nothing to hope for, for them.

[(Anonymous)]

Some people absolutely dig that doomed-love aspect and can work with it, but like you: I need something better to build or work towards to be interested or want to explore a ship. Unhealthy messes can be intriguing to watch, but not mull over beyond that for me.

So yeah for me as well: in the show it worked, but after the fact there wasn't anything else I wanted to think about because their relationship can only get worse, not better, and that isn't something that pulls at me.