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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-04-08 05:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #4842 ]


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(Anonymous) 2020-04-08 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
To the extent that it's actually the reason, it's a bad reason. To the extent that it's an excuse, it's a bad excuse.

(Anonymous) 2020-04-08 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean...he ain't wrong.

(Anonymous) 2020-04-09 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
Who isn't wrong?
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2020-04-08 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup

I've been fighting the whole "A power imbalance is not necessarily an abuse of power" fight for a long time now.

Almost no relationships are made up of people who have the exact same levels of power. Someone always has an advantage in some area. That does not mean that they are abusing their power.

This "WAH!! POWER IMBALANCE THAT MAKES THIS SHIP RAPE!" is such a childs view of real relationships. And I can't believe there are that many children in this discussion, so I gotta believe most people are just trying to be jerks.
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(Anonymous) 2020-04-08 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I've never seen "A power imbalance is not necessarily an abuse of power" worded exactly like that and it just really made something click in my head. Thank you, you've just made one more tiny difference!
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-04-10 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
A power imbalance is not necessarily an abuse of power


that's true for certain types of power but can't be dismissed in instances, like this one, where the one with more power has direct power multiple people like in the army. there's few armies that allow vertical fraternization because it genuinely does fuck shit up, and not always in way the two people involve mean it too, and often it affects third parties again not always in deliberate ways. because power is merely an agreement between parties, the abuse of it can be demonstrated in its perception too.

+1

(Anonymous) 2020-04-11 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
No but really though!!!

(Anonymous) 2020-04-08 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I was always just mad because I was being deprived of a hot man, I won't deny it.

But power imbalances exist all the time, everywhere. It would have been interesting to see how it would be handled in a way very much like an anon above me mentioned "an imbalance of power is not necessarily an abuse of power". But they may have required more nuance or something other than a Disney movie could provide. And he still could have had Shang, and just made them friends, or something! idk. A power imbalance could be explored, especially if it's made clear that neither character wants to "rock the boat" or violate.

Alas...
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[personal profile] morieris 2020-04-08 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
My favorite part of this thread is everyone calling the director, Niki Caro, 'he'.


I do agree that it's pretty weak reasoning. It's like NO recent Disney movie can have men in antagonistic or jerkass roles that aren't villains. I ranted about this when the second Artemis Fowl trailer came out - Even though I think the movie looks relatively fine, That Artemis is not nearly as much of a jerk as he should be. In Frozen II, Kristoff is just fine to be put second in his relationship to his girlfriend's sister after 3 years still. And now this.

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(Anonymous) 2020-04-08 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm anon above you, didn't realize the director was a woman! lol

My bad, I'm used to seeing men handle films (I know there are plenty of female directors), so my bias was present :( .

I think my main issue is that avoiding or removing or pretending an issue doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. And I feel like that's something that some filmmakers are trying to do by either eliminating or over compensating or doubling down on things...and it's just like...can't you just let the story be? With all its problems? All its humanity? But, we're all entitled to share our stories, our experiences, and our desires, -- that's the great thing about art as a whole!

Anyway, I had no idea about Artemis Fowl (weren't they already movies? or at least books?) nor Niki Caro, so thanks!And yeah, my own preferences aside, Mulan looks like a decent movie, and I'm gonna go see it anyway.

(Anonymous) 2020-04-09 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet the real reason is because at some point it's implied Shang is attracted to Mulan's male persona and that would make it too homo for places like China. They're just hiding it behind the #metoo movement to avoid blowback.