[ SECRET POST #4846 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #4846 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.



__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.



__________________________________________________



08.










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 49 secrets from Secret Submission Post #694.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t get blaming the Democratic Party bigwigs for Biden. Was he materially helped by the party leaders? Yeah, sure. But people still had to actually vote for him to get that far.

He won one primary before the entire party establishment coalesced around him overnight. There was a conscious choice to coalesce around Biden, they didn't have to do it, they could have taken other courses of action. That's politics but I think it's reasonable to think that it was a poor decision on their part.

I can also see why someone who promises to bring back the status quo would appeal to a lot of voters. Not me, but people who never really paid attention to politics before (often because they’d be fine no matter who was in office) the Chump and would prefer a candidate who was just kind of there that they could go back to ignoring.

I disagree with that point of view.

I get being sick of waiting for incremental change under establishment politicians who have to have 90% of their voters and 100% of their rich donors yelling about something before they’ll lift a finger. But I also feel like people who can afford not to vote because their preferred candidate didn’t make it far enough are privileged.

It really, really, really comes off like people are reacting to the second part of this as an excuse to not seriously engage with the first part of it. It comes across like "Well, sure, yes, you're right that it's shit that the Democratic Party does this over and over, but we can't talk about that right now because somewhere out there there's a Bernie supporter considering not voting in the general election and that's all we can focus on right now." That is a large part of what bothers me about the whole thing.

I strongly think that the number of genuine dead-end Bernie or Bust people is extremely small, I think they're mostly people who were not Democratic voters to begin with, and I think they're also concentrated in deep blue states like California and New York, where you could vote for Marvin the Martian and it wouldn't make a difference in the outcome of the general election. While at the same time, I think that the criticisms made by people on the left of the party - whether or not they're planning on voting for Biden - are legitimate and deserve to be taken seriously.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT—I don’t agree with people who would like to go back to mostly ignoring politics, but I don’t see how you can disagree that their aren’t a lot of people who do think like that. Hell, there are tons of people who still don’t pay attention to politics even now, or we’d have way more registered voters in the US than we actually do. And also (and this makes me sad and I think it sucks) there was either a vast overestimation of how many people would vote for Bernie, or a lot of those people didn’t fucking vote in their primaries.

And I am not a fan of the DNC, but Bernie campaigned on the idea that they were corrupt and not willing to work for an outsider. Yeah, they could’ve embraced him anyway, but I can’t say I’m surprised that they didn’t. And as for the moderate candidates coalescing around Biden... they’re moderates. They were never going to go all in for Bernie.

I don’t get what exactly the average voter can do to drag the DNC to the left in any case. Aside from advocating for various kinds of electoral and voting reform that would weaken the two party system and eventually make it irrelevant. Which the DNC is by definition not interested in. The closest I can get to changing the national party is to vote for local left wing party officials.

Privileged people refusing to vote for the lesser evil might, individually, change their minds, whether that’s because they come to realize they’re not as safe as they thought they were, or they come to understand that their being picky puts other people at risk.

The official national Democratic Party bigwigs are not interested in radical change because it would make them less powerful. But candidates like Sanders and Warren still do a lot of good: without Sanders and Warren, Biden’s platform would be substantially right of where it is currently.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this (although I might disagree with some things or emphasize or phrase things differently) but I think a lot of what I'm saying is, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

What I really object to is what seems to me to be an urge to get people to shut up and stop making what I think are valid criticisms of the Democratic Party mainstream. I don't think the Democratic Party mainstream is going to change immediately, but I don't think we should resile from speaking out about them being shitty if they're being shitty. It shouldn't stop us from voting for Democrats if that's the best option, either.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT—then we agree, pretty much. The Democratic Party as a national organization, rather than just a group I belong to because the alternatives are either fairly ineffectual on all but a local level on the more leftist side, or actively inimical to my existence and that of my friends and family and vulnerable people generally on the right, does not have my unquestioning support, and I think critiquing its actions can be useful. But I also would like the minority of leftists pledging to withhold their votes for the DNC’s chosen candidate to protest or punish that choice are full of shit and care more about ideas than people.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think people should stop criticizing the Democratic Party. I just don't think they should let that stop them from voting. My only concern with the criticism is with it possibly being a distraction from beating the orange turd, if discussed too much over the next seven months. (But I admit, I can't say for sure.)