[ SECRET POST #4852 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4852 ⌋

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Comments

[des_pudels_kern]

"If you hate Scott for how he treated Derek, do you hate Derek for how he treated Scott? Boyd? Erica? Isaac?"

Well, no. I don't need to hate Derek. He is being called out for his mistakes and punished for them by the narrative. Scott for seasons (I stopped watching after the nogitsune storyline so no idea what came after) hates and distrusts him for how Derek treated him in S1 and treats him accordingly, which leads to moments such as Derek saving Scott when Victoria tries to kill him for being in a consensual relationship with her daughter, leading to Victoria killing herself, and Scott feeling it's more important to save Allison's feelings than to explain that Derek isn't to blame for her mother's death and she shouldn't hunt him for it. Boyd and Erica run away and Erica dies as a consequence of that. Isaac leaves Derek for Scott. Derek is put down by the show itself constantly. He has lost his family, his sister just recently, he had to put down his uncle, Cora returns only to leave again, the pack he tries to build fractures and the one surviving member leaves him, two of his lovers turn out to be murderers, he loses his alpha status... Derek is punished by the story.

That is why a big bulk of fandom is so much more sympathetic with him than with Scott. People love an underdog. They both screw up, but Derek is the one who keeps losing, and Scott keeps having Big Damn Hero moments and gets praised and chosen by other characters. That is why fandom doesn't feel the need to put Derek down and call him out, but does with Scott. Fandom is reacting differently to these two because the show is treating them differently.

[(Anonymous)]

I would love for these to be the only reasons on a fandom-wide level, honestly I would. But Scott does get punished a decent amount in Teen Wolf. Peter mind-controls him, Derek betrays him in late S1, as you point out, Victoria tries to kill him, he gets stabbed in the gut by the Nogitsune, he watches as his first girlfriend dies in his arms... a lot of bad things happen to Scott McCall and mistakes he's made do have consequences, even if they're not always dealt with well -- but then, no consequences really are on this show.

And yes, Scott does have big damn hero moments, but considering he's the hero of the show, that makes sense. Stiles gets hero moments and everyone is ecstatic for him. Later on in the show, Derek also gets a couple of those moments.

Can you name another fandom where the main character is treated as nastily as Scott is by the fandom at large, to the point that there's an entire tag devoted to fics straight-up villainising them?

[des_pudels_kern]

OP, look, I don't expect to convince you. I've seen how many comments are up there. People have been telling you the reasons why they dislike the character, and the reasons haven't been "I can't quite put my finger on it, but I just don't like the look of him."

You have your opinion. That's okay. I, too, dislike it when people don't like what I like.

But there are... 110.354 fics in the Teen Wolf tag, and 937 in the bad friend tag. That's 0,85 percent. That is a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage.

There are, going by tag search, 1818 fics using a freeform tag "not team cap friendly". (A freefrom tag can't be filtered on, and there are several tags with the same meaning that have not been merged.) Despite not actually suing the words "Bad Friend, I assure you, this tag has the same meaning, only directed at not only one character, but one character and his followers. There are 340088 fics in total in the MCU tag, but the MCU also includes a wagon-load of standalone movies that don't include Steve Rogers and ensemble movies that predate Civil War, so if I exclude anything pre-Civil War (May 6 2016) and without Steve Rogers, I'm at 90338 fics. 90338 fics, 1818 in a freeform tag that equates to Bad Friend Steve Rogers, and we are at 2,01 percent of fics tagged to let people know this here fic is not fond of Cap and that a fan of him should not read it lest it upsets them.

And these tags are a good thing. We used to have plenty of character bashing back in the days, but before AO3, there was no coherent system to warn for it. You just had to hope the summary and author notes gave you enough information to know which fics not to read. The Bad Friend Scott McCall tag is a commodity. Fans didn't use it because they are being mean, they use to be nice and give people like you the chance to avoid content you know you won't like. They are giving you the power to curate your own fandom experience, something that previous generations of fans did not have. Stop trying to use it against them.

[(Anonymous)]

*claps* THIS. All of this!