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⌈ Secret Post #689 ⌋

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But see, your attitude, at least in the post, was one of "It was so obvious it was going to be Aang/Katara."

Projecting, much? The only "attitude" in my secret, which most people seem to have gotten, is that it was obvious that Zuko/Katara was one hell of a long shot and it was dumb to be completely convinced of it.

Of course, as someone who is not a big fan of the pairing or anything, just of the show itself, I do think it was obvious it was going to be Aang/Katara, and I am not really sure why so much of fandom was determined to resist it. But that's a story for another day.

I didn't say "obvious" or anything like that. There is a huge difference in believing "Hey, maybe they're gonna go for this! Oh man, it's working!" and saying "Well, obviously, they're totally going for Zutara."

So why were you so peeved at my secret? I didn't say that people convinced McCain/Palin were going to win reminded me of Zutara shippers who thought it might happen (although I still think that was pretty silly). I said they reminded me of Zutara shippers who were convinced it was going to happen. Who did exist. Most of the rest of the commenters seem to have caught that distinction.

The similarity isn't "these people both disagree with me, whether fandom-wise or politically, ha ha let's mock them!" The similarity is "these particular two groups of people had both locked themselves into an echo chamber where they ignored all reasonable facts and instead built and clung to a narrative that resembled neither canon nor reality."

The reason that I admit that the thoughts in the secret were mean-spirited isn't that I think it's meeeeean to say that anyone who seriously thought that the secret truth of the show was Zutaaaraaaa was deluding themselves. I just feel somewhat bad about comparing fellow members of fandom to people who supported taking away the rights of human beings and continuing to drive my country into ruin.

But I'll be honest here. I sniped at your comment, and I'd be willing to bet so did some of the others, because I am tremendously sick and tired of non-canon shippers of various stripes nursing a martyr complex over how bawwww, those no-good canon shippers are mean to them for making fun of their crazier shipmates. Never mind that most of the people doing the fun-making aren't even "canon shippers," they're just people who enjoyed the show and boggle at the craziness spouted by the more extreme non-canon shippers.

Is it okay, then, to also make fun of the crazier canon shippers? Because there's crazy on both sides of this fence.

If we're going to be fair, a crazy shipper is a crazy shipper.

Okay then. I will admit I read your secret wrong. It just brought back bad memories of the "Deluded" incident with Harry Potter (I was neither an R/Hr or a H/Hr shipper, but I was pretty well disgusted with the behavior of the fandom in that).

The reason I have the "martyr complex" I suppose is that any time I see a glimpse into the online fandom (which is only here), it seems to be saying how very stupid Zutara was. I see it in Doctor Who fandom, where oodles of people can do nothing but froth at the mouth over Doctor/Rose, leaving the saner shippers confused and a little frightened. And I'm tired of fandom being such a bitter place, where people love to focus on the negatives.

I tried never to get involved in the ship-wars because I thought fandom should be a more inclusive, happy place. It doesn't happen, it won't happen, but hey, I can dream.

The secret pushed my buttons less because of shipping and more because I'm uncomfortable mocking anyone who sincerely believes anything, no matter how stupid. I've seen it too much in IRL to have any taste for it in fandom.

Well truthfully, I've never felt like anything but a "second-class" (for lack of a better term) fan for liking Aang and Katara. To like the ship meant you were silly, childish, unable to grasp "deeper" things, etc. Zutarians might feel oppressed or upset, but I guarantee you, there are Kataang shippers who are not gloating but who merely want to be able to enjoy their canon-status and their ship in peace without being reminded every 5 minutes that it sucks by some Zutara shipper. The Zutarians couldn't even give the Kataangers 5 seconds to enjoy the kiss before flooding the internet with their disgust.

Okay, thank you for clarifying... Just the problem is that a lot of people are going to take what you said and run with it. It's not your fault, believe me, but just a few pages over there's someone talking about the Zutarian's he/she has seen on da are also jerks and racists. I know that's not your opinion, but it is dangerous... You mean the crazy ones, but I don't think everyone here does. I'm going to end this before it sounds like a guilt trip.

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