[ SECRET POST #4857 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4857 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because, I think, a "Mary Sue" in fanfic is someone a fan made up who comes in and pushes aside the canon characters (which most people were there to read about). This...can't really happen if the whole cast are your own OCs. I have seen instances of a "canon Mary Sue" but mostly after the cast has been thoroughly established for a long time but TV Tropes refers to this type of character as "the Scrappy" instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually a Scrappy can be one for several reasons. I think Creator's Pet is the trope you might be thinking of. All Creator's Pets are Scrappies but not all Scrappys are Creator's Pets.

[(Anonymous)]

a "Mary Sue" in fanfic is someone a fan made up who comes in and pushes aside the canon characters (which most people were there to read about). This...can't really happen if the whole cast are your own OCs.

That's not a definition I've ever seen. Maybe the people who say it isn't a useful term because there's not one solid, clear definition are right.

The way I've always seen it used is for a character that's perfect and everyone loves, which can obviously exist in original works as well as fanfic. She's depicted as amazingly beautiful and ridiculously intelligent and all the men fight over her and all the women are jealous of her and there's not a skill in existence that she hasn't somehow mastered and she's boring as fuck because no actual humans can relate to her.

[(Anonymous)]

"and she's boring as fuck because no actual humans can relate to her."

Except people clearly ~do~ relate to her, because she keeps coming back.

Cheesy wish fulfillment fantasies are still, you know, a part of human nature.

[(Anonymous)]

Thiiiissss. This has always been the definition of a Mary Sue, in every fandom I've ever been in. The aspect of the Mary Sue trope where the non-canon character pushes aside or otherwise upstages the canon characters is such a fundamental part of the trope.

It's really the only context in which the term Mary Sue has some real, objective definition that can't simply be applied to any character a person doesn't like or get or vibe with.