[ SECRET POST #4857 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4857 ⌋

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Comments

[silverr]

Please note that I didn't say anything about being overpowered/superpowered.

The original fandom Mary Sue character didn't have superpowers (unless you consider intelligence and knowledge a superpower), but she also was seen as "perfect in every way" by EVERY character around her. Everyone (including any potential antagonists) either was in love with her or wanted to be her. She solved every problem effortlessly. She never had internal conflicts, never had a Dark Night of the Soul.

Whether it's fanfic or not, a character with no flaws and no struggles isn't relatable, and for me that makes them flat, bland, and uninteresting.

[philstar22]

I guess I'm not sure I've seen that many truly perfect characters. I don't read that many OCs, admittedly. But in published fiction, the characters I see being called sues are the superpowered ones like Rey in the Star Wars sequels who just happen to be good at what they do and smart and people don't like that. That's why I don't like the term. I've never seen it used in a way that was genuinely useful for anything.

[silverr]

I don't consider Rey a Mary Sue either.

The only non-fanfic character I can think of right off that might fit the definition is classic James Bond. (IBF yes, from our perspective he's massively flawed in many ways, but within the Bondverse that never seems to cause him any difficulty.)