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⌈ Secret Post #4862 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

You are much better with words than me, but yeah this is basically what I'm trying to say.
If a fic is stated to be abandoned/discontinued, honestly I would still ask to see if they'd give me a response, but I get why people wouldn't. The point I'm trying to make is that it's very rude not to do something as simple as sending someone a message and respecting their answer.

It is fanfiction, but it is still something someone worked hard on to make, it's their story to finish or leave unfinished if that's what they want. It's not the same as writing fanfic for a published story because we're all on the same level here. If someone wants to finish a fic for someone, I imagine it's because they liked it to the point they want to see it finished, so I don't see why they wouldn't offer that courtesy to the author and respect their answer.
This is not people making fanfiction of fanfiction, it's taking over some elses story and finishing it for them. This is about the common decency of asking first. That's all.

When I said, "Don't pretend you're doing them a favour," I was referring to the anon I was replying to said this:

the author may feel that by giving permission they're putting their seal of approval on it, which may be uncomfortable for them since they may dislike what the continuation does with their story and not want to be seen as validating it.

I pointed out that it was rude as hell to not ask for permission before posting the ending to someone else's fic. The only thing that tops that is posting it anyways when the author told you not to, because it is. It's a shitty thing to do, just because people do it doesn't change that fact.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, I am the AYRT, and I'm not really sure why you're agreeing with me here, when we clearly disagree.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's very rude not to do something as simple as sending someone a message and respecting their answer.

And I strongly disagree. I do think it's polite to find out whether a fic author is still actively planning on finishing their fic, and I do personally think the polite thing to do - if they are actively working towards finishing it - is to wait. But I also don't think anyone is obligated to do so. If someone wants to jump in and write their own ending to a fic that is actively being written, it is completely their choice to do so. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to creating works based on another text, the same basic standards of regulation apply to fanfic as apply to original fic.

Furthermore, the very reason I wouldn't ask an author if it was okay for me to post a continuation is because I don't require their blessing. They don't have the right to dictate whether others create works based on their work. As far as I'm concerned, by attempting to control what other people do, when they don't have the right to control what other people do, they are the one being unreasonable and, yes, a little bit rude.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

So you acknowledge that it's polite to ask, but you don't see how it can be considered rude when you don't? Just because you're not obligated to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. It's about respecting the work you liked well enough that you want to see it finished.

Walking all over a persons work for any reason is a shitty thing to do, and that's what you're doing when you ignore their request not to post it. Yeah you're not gonna die if you don't ask, but denying that it isn't rude because you have a different standard is ridiculous. It's about the authors standard, if they care if you finish their work or not. That's why you ask.

They are doing this for fun, sharing their work for people to enjoy. So going over their head and behind their back because you want to share something that isn't yours to share only because you're arrogant enough to believe they shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on what you do with their work, is in fact fucking rude.
Why do you even need to post it? Seriously? Write it for yourself all you want, but where's the need to share it, especially if the author doesn't want it to be?

[(Anonymous)]

So you acknowledge that it's polite to ask, but you don't see how it can be considered rude when you don't?

If you know the work is abandoned, then I think it's completely fine and not at all rude if you don't ask the author's permission. If they might still be working on it, then I do think it's polite to ask, and that it's a bit insensitive to post your continuation if they're still actively posting their own.

But rude and verboten are not the same thing. Just because someone's behavior is a little rude, doesn't mean they should be forbidden from doing what they're doing.

Someone could swoop in tomorrow and start writing their own continuation of my WIP, and I'd have no right to stop them. I'd probably side-eye them a bit for stepping on my toes, but the bottom line is, they'd be completely within their rights, and I'd be a huge hypocrite if I tried to stop them, given that I'm here to write fanfic.

Walking all over a persons work for any reason is a shitty thing to do, and that's what you're doing when you ignore their request not to post it.

Asserting that you, as a creator, have control over what consumers of your work do, when you don't have control over what consumers of your work do, is shitty behavior, and that's what you're doing when you attempt to deny someone's right to write their own fanfic based on yours.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! We're all playing in other people's sandboxes here. We don't get to claim that this patch of sand is exclusively ours.

[(Anonymous)]

Precisely! *fist-bumps you*