[ SECRET POST #4872 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4872 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. https://i.imgur.com/iKTJu7T.jpg
[linked for NSFW / pregnancy for that anon]


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03. https://i.imgur.com/qEvoebs.png
[anon marked NSFW for partial nudity]


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06. https://i.imgur.com/hSPibvG.png
[Hunters, Penny Dreadful: Los Angeles, Westworld
OP warned for Nazi iconography]


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07. [WARNING for discussion of bullying/harassment]




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08. [WARNING for child abuse, death, racism, ableism]



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09. [WARNING for sexualized rape]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]



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11. [WARNING for rape/pedophilia]

[The Black Jewels Trilogy]
















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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #697.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. [WARNING for discussion of bullying/harassment]
https://i.imgur.com/y4beJg8.png

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really sorry, anon, that sounds like a terrible experience to live through and I can definitely see how it'd sour you on that kinda ship.

(But also, the picture choice made me laugh)

[(Anonymous)]

I had the same problem, except my bully confessed it to an ex-friend of ours and it made me rage really hard, even more with the "he was abused at home, you have to understand" back in those days. So I can relate on that and that's why I don't like that bully/victim trope.

[(Anonymous)]

So your bully genuinely liked you?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if he "liked" me in any sense, but still doesn't matter. He's dead to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it just me or does the picture look like a lesbian gang-bang about to happen?

I am a fan of "enemies to lovers" and "enemies to friends to lovers", which some people would argue include bully/victim ships, but I can't stand them.

I like my ships balanced, where both members are equal, and I can't help but feeling like a bully/victim relationship is fundamentally uneven with the bully having power over the victim. I'm not even talking about authority or anything like that, just the sheer power to torment someone and leave a horrible mark on them while the bully can just walk away and forget about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it just me or does the picture look like a lesbian gang-bang about to happen?

It 100% does, there's a whole series of similar pictures, and it's a pretty excellent meme, on Twitter and maybe elsewhere

[philstar22]

This, exactly. Enemies to lovers and bullies to lovers are different to me. Bullies and heroes are not on the same level. Heroes and ultimate villains are on the same level. Bullies are level 1 villains to be overcome at the first stage. They are easy to overpower once the heroes come fully into their own.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that! Seriously, what the hell is up with this pic?

[(Anonymous)]

I totally get that, yeah. It's tough when something you read/watch brings back those kinds of painful memories.

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[philstar22]

I feel this too. One of my bullies whispered sexual things in my ear all through middle school. I'm very much of the "ship and let ship" view, but bullyxbullied ships are very much NOTPs for me. That's why I couldn't never get into Draco or Snapex any of the Harry Potter trio (or Neville, though it wasn't nearly as popular to pair him with a Slytherin) when I was in the Potter fandom. Those pairings were instant nos to me. I can't do pairings with bullies and the people they bully.

[venusundae]

ew i've been in situations just like that anon. i feel you. i don't like ships like that bc of it either. it sucks and i'm sorry </3

[(Anonymous)]

Oh same here - I was bullied right up until my very last few years of school and its always been a sensitive topic for myself; even going into other media or stories in general (one time my friend was trying to get me into JoJo Bizare Adventures and before the half way mark of the episode a guy makes another guy's life hell for him at home while everyone around doesn't see it - I couldn't finish watching the episode because of that).

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man, same. I had a girl who staged a RELENTLESS bullying campaign around asking me out as a joke, back in middle school. Her friends would stand around and laugh... and yeah, like... I just can't stomach ships where one character bullied the other. A mutual rivalry is one thing, and one character can *perceive* the other as being a bully, but it has to be clear that that's not quite reality or I just get that skin-crawling feeling.

[(Anonymous)]

Me too, OP, though it ended up making me have a soft spot for bully redemption arcs and storylines where a bully and victim can reconcile (in fiction; I have no idea how I'd react if I could meet the people who bullied me when we were kids). It does make me kind of uncomfortable when fandom doesn't seem to even acknowledge how shittily one character treated another one. Like I just said, I can really appreciate ships between a (former) bully and victim, but part of that for me is the bullying actually being taken seriously! I don't want to see shippers acting like the bullying itself was actually super romantic, no offense!

I'm really sorry you went through that. Your discomfort with those kinds of ships is completely reasonable. <3

[resnullius_bells]

As much as I might love enemies in love or hero-villain ships, Icm with you on this. As soon as you put them in a high school (or lower I guess) and show a bully/bullied relationship I'm out (not all high school rivals or enemies are bullying cases and those I can like just fine, but if it's a bullying relationship, bye).

I rarely get into those canons so it doesn't happen often, but it does. And outside school settings it can happen in workplace canons too.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been bullied but I hate the trope because it's usually not safe, sane or consensual. And if (usually a case of when, rather) the writer's choice of "redemption" is to have the bully be sexually attracted to their victim and it somehow erases their past behavior, I'm like, no, eff off! The victim deserves a real apology! And they need to process what is happening and do this on their own terms.

[(Anonymous)]

This is way tagging/warning is so important! So people can avoid the stuff that bothers them and we can all live in harmony.

That said, I understand where OP is coming from, I was bullied too. But I actually like these sorts of ships. I like lots of fucked up things in fiction and I enjoy exploring dark topics for what they are. I guess you could say I don't treat it as the bully suddenly becoming a good person or treating their behavior as suddenly okay because romance is in the air but more like "wow this is really messed up and they're hate fucking now".

I don't know man, call me a terrible person, I just really like exploring the messed up shit in the only way that's safe (fiction).

Someone also brought up enemies to lovers and how they're a different ship dynamic and that's true. Sometimes. Not all enemies-to-lovers are bully/bullied but they can be. It just depends on the characters in question and how you tell their story.

(I also have a guilty pleasure with the old "(s)he's mean to you because (s)he likes you!" this is a very unhealthy sentiment but, again, I love seeing it in fiction for some reason. It just scratches some sort of itch).

[chamonix]

I absolutely agree. I really like enemies to lovers, but I need my enemies to actually have measure of respect and admiration for the hero. While there is an imbalance in ideology, there is no imbalance of power. Bullying completely negates that as it is nothing but power imbalance. It also has a hefty helping to humiliation thrown in, and nothing makes me disappear faster than that.

I hope you are able to heal from your experiences and I appreciate you don't use them to shut down anyone else's preferences.

As an aside, that photo looks like there's there's a lot more going on than bullying...

[(Anonymous)]

Weirdly, while I'm with you on being really upset by bully/victim ships, I can deal with bully and victim becoming friends. It's just such a different thing. Like, it has to happen a certain WAY to feel right, but it's different from a ship.