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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-05-11 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #4875 ]


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(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed!

(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep! There's a reason tropes are tropes, and good writers know how to make that work to their advantage.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Examples?

(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of mediocre to bad writers who tend to put people off. And a lot of writers who think they're good enough to do well with familiar tropes, but...they're not.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Never read a good show bis AU, kid/baby fic or a mafia AU. I also never read a fic with fake relationship that I liked though it's a pretty popular trope and I've read many.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-11 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
One hundred percent agree.

One thing I'd add to this, though, is that it's only true if one objects to the trope on the basis of it being a hackneyed, unsophisticated, or OOC idea, and if they are open to being won over by an excellent handling of the trope.

If one simply has a personal bias against the trope - they don't like it because they don't like it, the end - then it's entirely possible that absolutely nothing could win them over.
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[personal profile] wannabe_influential 2020-05-11 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel the same way, OP

This is part of the reason I got tired of CinemaSins. They can't any use of a trope a sin, not whether it's used well or poorly, just if it's used at all. That's not how tropes work, CinemaSins! *ding*

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
I dunno... there's a lot of tropes that are actually just bad, because they're based in bigotry, and the only way of making them not bad is to satirise and subvert them, which I don't see as actually using that trope? You know?

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I think that's still using the trope, though? I mean, I hate soulmate fics but I love fics where it all goes horribly wrong.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I love soulmate AUs that are basically the "be careful what you wish for" version of the trope. Instead of finding a soulmate and that being the end of it I love it being more of a problem creator than a romantic fantasy. Maybe only SOME people have soulmates and others do not. Maybe your soulmate doesn't actually "match", where your soulmate may have someone else as a soulmate. Maybe someone whose soulmate died before they could meet falls in love with someone who is still looking for theirs/finds theirs. Maybe they're in a period setting where class separates them even if they're soulmates. Etc. Etc. What some people see as something super fluffy and cliche I see as an opportunity for angst and pain.

But yeah it really depends. And also there's just some people that dislike a certain trope no matter how it's written. It's all a matter of preference.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
I can't stand soulmate AUs played straight. The idea of everyone on the planet being assigned a partner by an unknown force, complete with a visible mark that lets everyone see who you've been assigned to, is uncomfortable to me. But if the story is about people rejecting that predetermined fate in some way, I'm on board. I've read one where both parties removed their marks at a young age, then when they finally meet they're both like "oh shit is this who it was?" But without the marks they can never be sure. I love that.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
It's true and you should say it!

There are a lot of tropes I normally don't like, but if a writer I like wants to play with them? I've never been disappointed!
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[personal profile] venusundae 2020-05-12 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
i so agree. sometimes i'll develop kinda 👀 cautious feelings about a trope just bc of how much i disliked seeing it handled in the past. but i love being pleasantly surprised by some bomb ass writing enough to keep trying haha
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-05-12 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
is there some inherent negative association with "trope"? because it's just literary structural phenomena, that's it, that's all it means. there's no reason to think that tropes are in of themselves, the work of hacks.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, thanks, we know that and so, clearly, does OP. Not sure why you felt the need to come and needlessly school us all.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-05-12 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
why don't you answer why you felt compelled to respond to my comment at all first? maybe you can infer the accurate answer. let's see.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-12 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Also, same for style "rules". It's possible to use adverbs or the passive voice or epithets too much or badly, but that doesn't mean you can't use them at all.