[ SECRET POST #4886 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4886 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. https://i.imgur.com/MwrBgtO.jpg
[OP warned for NSFW but it isn't obvious]


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06. [SPOILERS for Midsommar]



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07. [WARNING for discussion eating disorders]




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08. [WARNING for discussion of mental disorders/EDs/etc]



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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape/torture]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of underage]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #699.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[sabotabby]

Wait, they weren't sleeping with each other back then? (This is, obviously, not the critical issue at hand, but...really?)

I think I shall stick to the series and fanfic for explicit stuff.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

No. According to the novel, they don't actually consummate their relationship* until well after WW comes back from the dead and they're busy solving the case of the disembodied ghost sword (which in the novel is a cut-up corpse). It starts off awkwardly with a drunken hand job and things are so awkward because Romantic Misunderstandings and it isn't resolved until the final temple scene when they finally realize they love each other/want to sleep with each other.



* Unless you count the incident during a big night-hunt when WW is blindfolded (because he made a bet that he could do it blindfolded) and is shoved up against a tree and forcibly kissed by LWJ, but at the time he thinks it's a very strong girl who is too shy to approach him otherwise. Yeah.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Except for the short confession scene, which is a bit awkward, and the smut, most of which is in the extras and can be ignored, I think the plot is still better in the novel because the characters are allowed to have some shades of grey that censorship straight up kills clean off in the drama. The pacing in the novel is better. Major reveals are so, so much better. I hated the way the drama spoiled one of the biggest, most important plot twists (the golden core thing).

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

How did the drama spoil that? They gave hints but never said it outright.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

The scene where they planned it had very, very obvious picture book instructions waved into the camera. Since I already knew about the twist I did ask a few friends who only watched the drama and everyone I spoke to said that, yes, it was painfully obvious what they where going to do from how the scene was set up.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. Does the novel just not say anything at all about it until the reveal?

I actually really liked that you could guess what it was, and then the reveal both confirmed it and made it MORE painful because you got the why and the how as well as the what, and could think back to all the assumptions you'd made and see what you caught and what you missed. I don't mind having clues, even if they're a little clunky.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

I personally thought the reveal in the novel was much more painful, but that's a matter of taste. I don't mind hints, but they didn't hint it, they basically spelled it out in big fat neon letters and that was just one of the super, super clumsy scenes where they apparently assumed everyone who watches the drama is a moron who needs to have everything spelled out for them.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

No, the novel lets you think that Wen Qing somehow managed to fix Jiang Cheng and it does not let on about the core transfer. In some ways, that's more effective because you don't know why Wei Wuxian no longer carries his sword, etc. but I prefer it the way the drama did it because it feels less out of the blue.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

as someone who's never read the book, that plot point was embarrassingly clear and i was even skipping scenes all over the place because i got really bored during all the flashback stuff. it meaning to be some 'twist' was a bit 'uh, what?' to me because it was really obvs.

i liked the drama for the characters i ended up liking, but my god it needed better pacing. also for me: main villain reveal was obvs relatively early too, but that one may just have been the general trope of 'character is smart and schemey, therefore they are morally bankrupt' so i won't chalk that one up to silly writing 100%.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the opposite about the golden core thing. I like that the illustration foreshadowed it because frankly, it comes out of nowhere in the novel and I don't like that. It doesn't feel like an awesome plot twist, it felt like someone pulling an explanation out of their ass... which seems common in Chinese dramas. Somebody is dying, but oh look a magic pill! Or a magical power that has never been mentioned or shown earlier and will never show up again even though it'd be handy! Or just the right magical talisman suddenly shows up!

I don't think it hurt that the audience could figure out what was going on because the reveal for the characters was such a powerful gut punch that this was all the shock I needed.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

DA Oh, that's a good point, yeah.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't come out of nowhere in the novel. It's the same explanation as in the drama only you didn't know it from the start. Its supposed to make the reader go "oh shit so that's why WWX didn't use his sword anymore and had to fall back upon using necromancy full-time and that's what actually bred all the resentment people have for him". It's not out of nowhere at all, only if you didn't pay attention.

In contrast, it's super dumbed down and spoonfed in the drama. And you can like it better that way, but saying it came out of nowhere in the novel is frankly untrue. And I think it massively cheapened that scene but that's a matter of taste, I guess.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, sure. I feel like big "plot twists" are better if there's at least some foreshadowing, which there was in the drama. IIRC, there wasn't in the book. The book feels a lot more like "oh yeah and btw all those chapters ago there was a golden core transfer, ta dah!"

I don't think it cheapened the scene because even with the illustration flashed across the screen, the audience doesn't know what that involves. They don't know just how much of a painful sacrifice it is for Wei Wuxian,so even if they know about the transfer, it's still pretty impactful to find out that it was a huge, huge deal that changed his life forever.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

There was foreshadowing. You just apparently didn't catch it.

And not, the audience knew what it involved because they were told, repeatedly. Wen Qing told him, and by extension, the audience. It was very obvious and not even a little subtle.

Re: ****MAJOR SPOILERS AND WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF DUB/NON-CON****

[(Anonymous)]

But that's just.. dramatic irony. Watching WWX keeping secrets and watching his family burn down while you KNOW what the secret is and why he's doing it is really good! This is obv. an agree to disagree (and i'm late) but I think the deliberate change is from switching it to intensify the drama for the audience, not because it wanted to preserve the secret.