[ SECRET POST #695 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #695 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[lifeofgatsby.livejournal.com]

It was totally controversial when a politician said "I'm proud to be German" a couple years back.

Which politician?

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

I can't remember. But I learned about it in my German class. We read and article and had a little discussion about it. But I was never good with names, and it was at least three years ago.

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

Uhhh... Laurenz Meyer? =_= (Also bad with names, but Google is good with them.)

Personally, I'd neither call myself "proud" nor "guilty", but maybe "okay with it"? "Comfortable"?
The problem is that once you've started to think about "Why pride?" in this context, it's really hard to find a satisfying solution. You occasionally feel pride for people or things you associate yourself with, but it doesn't make any logical sense. ;)
The discussions about this topic will probably go on forever, but like it was said: everyone needs to do this at their own pace, else there's absolutely no sense.

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

Could be!

Well, there's a difference between national pride and not being guilty over events of the past. It's just the German guilt over WWII is so extreme it hinders national pride. I mean, they rarely fly German flags--the time you'll see the most German flags is during things like the World Cup of Soccer, when national pride is really high--and having multiple kids is almost a stigmata because Hitler encouraged large families. So it's not even about national pride as seen in say, the USA, since many of the older generations of Germans are still uncomfortable or not okay with saying "I am German", let alone saying they're proud to be.

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

having multiple kids is almost a stigmata

How many kids is "multiple"?

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

More than two, I'd say. I don't have hard, exact facts like average family size, but most kids I went to school with in Germany were either only children or had one sibling, and their extended families were the same. I don't think I ever saw a family that comprised of more than four people, even when I went to the bigger cities like Berlin and Cologne. But I do happen to know that the birth rate is negative, or at least was for the longest time (I haven't checked it for a while) because having kids was something the Nazis wanted and endorsed.

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

I don't think I ever saw a family that comprised of more than four people, even when I went to the bigger cities like Berlin and Cologne.

Three kids is hardly rare, and certainly not met with suspicion or anything. Not that I've noticed. Seriously, I've never got the impression that people associate big families (and five people isn't big) with Nazi Germany.

I'd wager that falling birth rates don't have as much to do with a rising sense of guilt about WW2, but rather with current issues like unemployment etc. Germany does not purely exist as an epilogue to WW2, there are in fact new factors influencing how people live and think.

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

This is just what I've learned in my German classes as well as based off my experiences in Germany. I didn't mean to imply that the association with Nazi propaganda is the only cause, but one of them. I realize that Germany is not purely an epilogue to WWII; in fact, it is moving more and more away from that with each new generation. There have been increases in media supporting national pride, such as songs, and younger generations are feeling the need to "get over" the guilt and such brought about by WWII. I was just giving the negative birth rate and hesitance towards national pride as examples of issues brought about by being too solemn and serious about past issues. It could be where I was--I was living in a very conservative town in Northern Germany, and I've heard that things are far more liberal elsewhere, especially Bavaria.

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

See, I don't know why it's necessarily "too" solemn and serious. Who gets to decide which response is appropriate and which is going too far or not far enough? Germany isn't doing thaaaat badly.

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

Oh, most certainly not! Especially not nowadays. It's far more evident in the past than nowadays, because time has passed and new generations are born. I'd say that it goes too far when it starts to affect other issues to a certain degree, but that's just my opinion. I think it's only natural that Germany, as a nation, react to something like that in such a manner, but it did go on for quite a bit longer than expected. You also have to keep in mind that I come from a nation where national pride is everywhere, so we do see it as a bit strange to see so few flags flying and such. So of course what is appropriate and what's going too far is completely subjective. I know Germany's doing fine--probably better than the USA is doing in some aspects--and that it's not this nation in disrepair because they're not flying as many flags as one normally sees in nations like the USA (and I even think the amount of flag we show is a bit gaudy--I mean, belt buckles and license plate holders? That sort of overwhelming patriotism is unappealing to me).

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

And the American flag isn't even all that pretty. The design is kinda inelegant and uneconomical (can't you make your point with slightly less stars and stripes? ;P) and the colours are hardly original. ;)

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

It's a bitch to draw, too. You have to get the proportions of the flag all right, and make sure you have enough room for 13 stripes and 50 stars. I mean, I understand the number of stars and stripes (13 stripes for the 13 original colonies and 50 stars for the states), and the colors because of the British flag...But at least the design makes it really easily recognizable. It may be gaudy, but people can point to it and go "THAT'S THE USA". Which I guess works with how flashy we are about it. But I honestly do like the simpler flags more, even if people mix them up a lot. Even I have to use little tricks to help me remember which stripe order belongs to which country, or even which order the stripes go in in the first place (like for Germany, I remember that the stripes are in alphabetical order in English, and for Russia, white is first but after that it's in alphabetical order).

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

Alphabetical order, that's insane! :O But clever. (And not suitable for me, because I always have to say the alphabet to myself quietly to remember which letter comes first... although with B, R, Y, I could cope... XD)
I remember a few years back when angry protestors tried to burn Danish flags, but ended up burning Swiss flags instead, poor little Switzerland.

[bolshevists.livejournal.com]

I also just realized that it's reverse-alphabetical in German. I wonder why that never occurred to me in class.
...I didn't even realize the Swiss and Danish flags looked at all similar until you mentioned it. I just always grouped the Scandinavian flags together because they all have that sideways cross and didn't even think to compare it to the Swiss flag.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

That's kinda awesome, in a fail sort of way.

[ryttu3k.livejournal.com]

Yeah, same as Romania - it does have a negative birth rate, too (as of 2007). And that was a lot more recent - the Ceaucescu 'government' was only overthrown in 1989. Mothers who had at least five children got significant benefits, and those with ten or more were considered national heroes. After the Romanian Revolution, the birth rate dropped RIGHT down.

[weaselistic.livejournal.com]

Reminds me I neeeeed to learn more about Romania.