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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-12-02 05:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #697 ]


⌈ Secret Post #697 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2008-12-02 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually walked away from 'Wicked' with a very bad taste in my mouth due to Elpheba's total breakdown when Fiero died, her inability to care for herself or her child, or even remember or mentally cope with the fact that he was her child and her subsequent actions toward that child and Fiero's family.

Her motivations went entirely to grief and guilt instead of strength. Her revenge was petty and without point and her final sacrifice wasn't out of nobility or in an effort to achieve something, but buried entirely in 'oh my god, I can't live without him, so why not make everyone else feel as bad as I do' and she died without accomplishing a damn thing, wallowing instead in why her life had no meaning without Fiero.

She became the opposite of a strong woman with his death, and she spent a great deal of the remainder of the book acting in a fashion that undermined even the pretense of having or wanting an existence outside her man. She could've become a virago, fighting for all downtrodden people and those who died, she could've raised her son to be a hero and a better man than his father, she could've stayed true to the memory of what she'd been fighting for and what he died for - and instead she wallowed in pointless self-pity to the point of losing herself.

In essence, the moment she lost her man, she lost everything - and she started making Bella Swan look good.

That does not any kind of strong woman make.

Re: 101

(Anonymous) 2008-12-02 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
dear god in heaven THANK YOU!

I was beginning to despair that anyone who loves those books as fervently as they do even saw past their own rose-colored glasses.

Wicked fans, I hope you are not Twilight haters because if so, you suffer from the same blindness that Twilight fans suffer from. Hypocrisy FTW!

Re: 101

[identity profile] tsubaki-ny.livejournal.com 2008-12-04 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*attempts to explain*

I liked Wicked because Elphaba was supposed to be a tragedy. ("Melting melting what a world OMG!") It could never have ended well (at least, not and jibe with the original). The thought of a happy ending is the main thing keeping me away from the musical -- now I read this thing in the mid-90s, but wasn't it supposed to be the story of a failed revoution? The restructuring of a social order (talking animals losing the ability and being enslaved) and the destruction of a way of life?

I never wanted to be her, but I did enjoy coming to understand her. (Then again, I tend to like books that depress me slightly...)

Twilight -- I couldn't sincerely tell ya. It's impossible to avoid plot summaries, but for myself, I couldn't get into the intro prose, so can't fairly judge the rest. (Also, I'm old.) But it does seem that the brunette girl is meant for a role model or at least a self-insert of some kind, and the ending is supposed to be happy.
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Re: 101

[personal profile] xenoglossy 2008-12-02 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was kind of wondering why no one had brought up the fact that she basically went catatonic when he died. That doesn't scream "strong woman able to live without a man" to me. So thank you for doing it so I didn't have to.