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fandomsecrets2008-12-02 05:04 pm
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[ SECRET POST #697 ]
⌈ Secret Post #697 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
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Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 217 secrets from Secret Submission Post #100.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
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Re: 101
I don't necessarily disagree with you that Twilight might "survive" the test of time, but if it does, I guarantee you that people will be reading it in future literature courses as an example of the negative ideas impressed upon young girls in the early 2000's. Whether or not you choose to think so, young girls buy into this obsessive stalker knight in sparkling pale white skin crap hook, line, and sinker. With other media all around them telling them they should be silently smoldering and take up as little space as possible (95 lbs. sounds good!), why wouldn't they?
I love controversial literature. I love flawed characters and screwed up relationships. But not when they're being sold to uncertain, insecure girls as Ideal Romances with a drab, lifeless female at the helm waiting for an obsessive vampire save her from a life that's just so empty without him (and that IS what Twilight's being sold as, not as Negative Relationships).
Re: 101
I don't think Twilight should be marketed as Negative Relationships, though; if I were going to characterise the book it wouldn't be True Romance and it wouldn't be How To Have A Terrible Relationship; it would be "100 Good Reasons Why Relationships Between Humans and Non-Humans Are Weird and Difficult".
Because Meyer, through Edward, goes to great lengths to explain how vampires are different from human beings and why they behave the way they do. Whoever's fault it is that some readers are skimming those parts and deciding that Edward is the ideal man, it's not hers.
And, I'm SO NOT INTERESTED in "This shouldn't exist because the children might get the wrong idea" arguments. It is not the duty of writers of FICTION to provide children with appropriate role models. That would be the duty of their PARENTS and TEACHERS.
Books get marketed by publishing companies to the audience the publisher thinks is most likely to buy them. That's always going to be true. The writer doesn't necessarily write for any specific audience. Rowling didn't originally intend her stories for children, or at least that's what she said from 1997-2000, after 2004 she decided she was Sending A Message, but whatevs. I don't know (nor do I care) whether SMeyer originally intended the book for a teenage audience but my main frustration with the fandom is that I want to talk about how alien these characters are and so many people simply refuse to pay attention to those parts of the books.
Re: 101
Right, so the fact that Edward is constantly described as stunning, amazing, beautiful, perfect, etc. etc. is not Meyer's fault. I know what you're going to say– Edward is only seen this way through the eyes of Bella. But every single person I've seen talking about Twilight says that part of the reason they/everyone loves it so much is because they all pretend/want to be Bella.
It is not the duty of writers of FICTION to provide children with appropriate role models.
If Meyer wants to write about complex and complicated, morally ambiguous relationships, she probably shouldn't be writing young adult novels. :| Of COURSE not every character in children's books should be a shining example of good, but when you create a female heroine who cares about NOTHING but her abusive boyfriend, what message does that send? The reading level of Twilight is not aimed at people who are going to analyze the relationship as a profound meditation on the complexity of romance– probably because none of them have ever really experienced it seriously. And you keep saying that the reader is supposed to analyze the complexity of Bella/Edward's relationship and not accept it as perfect, but what do they really lose? Bella doesn't care about anyone or anything (including her own autonomy) but Edward, so she really has nothing to lose, and any time she's in serious danger, he comes to her rescue. If Meyer writes a new book where one of them actually goes through some real, irreversible trauma because of their relationship and actually has to question it, I'll change my mind about the series.
Parents and teachers can't monitor every bit of input a child chooses or is subjected to. Society has way more of an impact, because kids tend to care more about impressing/adapting to society than they care about their parents/teachers. Me and many girls I know grew up with families that praised us and told us we were beautiful, but we didn't believe them. We believed what we saw around us telling we needed to lose weight, have better skin, etc. etc.
Re: 101
(Anonymous) 2008-12-03 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)