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⌈ Secret Post #4910 ⌋

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[Avenue 5]

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[Monster Girl Quest]

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[Peter Serafinowicz and Mark Heap as Crowley and Aziraphale]

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[Criminal Minds]

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[Dramatical Murder]

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[YouTuber Omocha Crush]

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[Emma 2020]

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[Legend of the White Snake]

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[Vampire: The Masquerade]

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When talking about menstruation as it relates to health and hygiene, addressing 'people who menstruate' is exactly the term you want to use. They do not mean all women, they mean people who menstruate, which includes some transmen, some intersex people, some women, and some girls. This is why when JK Rowling tried to equate women with 'people who menstruate' was wrong.

This. I started menstruating when I was 11, when I was most definitely not a woman. And I guess JK thinks that once menopause hits those people are not women anymore.

Oh! I didn't know what she was referring to when she was going on about "people who menstruate." I'm as cis as they come: AFAB, chromosome XX, born with and still got all my parts... but I don't menstruate (thank you Mirena IUD). As abhorrent as I find her views, I also found it a little funny that she seemed to exclude me from her gotcha!definition of a woman when I'm pretty well 100% what she's talking about when SHE considers "women."

One's sex and biology are definitely intertwined, but whenever people try to conflate "people who X" with "women" or "men," you're always going to leave out many cis people. But the opposite, describing "people who X" when X is the topic at hand, you're always going to be inclusive.

Only biological females can menstruate. That is a fact.

You are quibbling over 'women' and 'girl' and the consequences of birth control (and given time I'm sure you'll quibble over hysterectomies and unusual disorders), but all of that is besides the point.

No man will EVER menstruate. None of them. Ever. The entire CLASS of BIOLOGICAL MALE will never menstruate. Therefore, it is ridiculous to assert that trans women menstruate or that there are any non-female people who menstruate. Biological facts do not change based on your self perception. They just don't. It's called REALITY.

The obsession progressives have with denying biological realities is incredible.

Just to make it extra clear for the morons out there:

Not all women (=biolgoical females) menstruate. But ONLY biological females CAN menstruate. Therefore, 'people who menstruate' is ridiculous.

women (=biolgoical females)

this is where you're wrong

Transmen may menstruate.

If you're trying to grab the attention of people who experience menstruation, saying: "Hello women..." you're going to 1) be talking to a LOT of people who didn't need this information and 2) miss out on some who do.

It's about giving the information to the needed parties.

The category of "women" includes both cis women, for whom menstruation is basically biologically normative, and trans women, for whom it is biologically not. The category of "men" includes both cis men, for whom menstruation is not biologically normative, and trans men.

Saying that there are women who do not menstruate, and men who do menstruate, is not in any contradicting the general observation that menstruation is biologically associated with being female (obviously with various exceptions, as you say in your post). It's talking about "man" and "woman" as socialized gender identities, not as biological categories, and that's pretty common usage. No one is asserting that trans women menstruate; in fact, the opposite. They are pointing out that trans women are women who do not menstruate. The point is that "women" and "people who menstruate" are distinct groups, contrary to JKR's argument that they're identical.

And, as AYRT points out, talking about "people who menstruate" is obviously the clearest and most precise terminology to use when you are specifically talking about sanitary needs associated with menstruation, which was the original context.

Trans men, who are in fact men, may menstruate, so you are in fact wrong.

ayrt

No. Even without taking into account women who don't have uteruses; have disorders; have low body weight; or are on certain types of birth control, opiates, or anti-psychotics; which is really not an insignificant amount of women, there is still menopause. A good portion of the population is over 50, which is the age menopause usually begins, so with that and all of the above, it's possible that there are more women who are not menstruating than are.

And, yes, I generally consider the label of women to mean adults, though I will concede a little quibbling with women/girls.

I don't know why you completely ignored intersex people, but they do, in fact, exist. Even BIOLOGY isn't as binary as you think.

And sex and gender are not the same thing.

Anyway, everybody who can menstruate is a person, so referring to people who menstruate as people who menstruate is never going to be wrong. And, actually, when an organization is trying to get the attention of a group with a certain trait, whether someone perceives themself as part of that group does matter.

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