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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-06-22 05:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #4917 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4917 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Explain to us plebs what we are missing.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT but "it's unbelievable that rational people in a world would not have found a way to eliminate the unbelievable and profound suffering that their society is based on" is not actually a very telling argument when you consider *gestures broadly at the entire real world*

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
We are willing to be complicit in the suffering and exploitation of others because society tells us it's a necessary evil. But it's not. A better system (=leaving Omelas) is possible.

It's pretty straightforward tbh

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
da - Running away from the capitalist hellscape we live in and, like, building an anarcho-socialist artists commune in the mountains or whatever is (no matter how silly it might sound) a vaguely rational response to the problem of capitalism and how deeply it is embedded in modern society. But if I could fix the problem by walking into one basement and removing one child from harm? Not even a heavy child? Uh, yeah, I'd do that.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's almost like it's an allegorical short story reducing the situation down to its simplest form.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Go ahead, pick up that child. And now the person who showed them to you is fighting. You fight them off--but there are people outside. An entire city convinced that their lifestyle depends on stopping you.

But say you succeed. You can't keep living in that city now, can you. The child would get recognized, and so would you.

So you end up... building an anarcho-socialist artists commune in the mountains, I presume.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
So you end up... building an anarcho-socialist artists commune in the mountains, I presume.
With the child. So I've actually solved something, rather than just throwing up my hands and leaving the problem for someone else.

Listen, my great-grandmother was half-Jewish, and she lived in Berlin in a time when that was a very bad place to be half-Jewish. She had friends in high places, so she was safe-ish. She could have kept her head down and kept safe. Instead she hid a friend who was being hunted by the SS in her flat. In the hall closet. Her life was already hanging by a thread, and she put herself further in danger to protect someone else. Don't tell me how virtuous it is to feel bad and do nothing.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I know your reading comprehension is not very good but please don't put words in my mouth.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-22 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Then clarify. Since you are so clearly disdainful of actually helping the suffering child.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pointing out the incoherence in the argument of the anon above. I quote their own words and everything.

Admittedly, trying to use an allegory to explain something to someone who has proved themselves unable to understand allegories was not my smartest move.

Either way I don't think you're engaging in good faith so nope, I'm out.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Someone thinking a story does a bad job at what it is trying to do does not mean they can't comprehend what they are reading. It just means they don't like what they are reading. People are allowed to disagree on interpretation. People are allowed to think a story is a bad story.
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[personal profile] 11thmirror 2020-06-23 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2020-06-23 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
The attitude that basic textual engagement and analysis is some elitist notion is part of the problem, honestly.