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⌈ Secret Post #704 ⌋

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101.

[The World Ends with You]

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[Detective Conan, Kyou Kara Maou, Hana Yori Dango, Lovely Complex]

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108. [removed]

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[House]

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[Rookies]

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[Pokemon/Digimon]

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[tinman (dg/glitch); she & him]

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116. [not fandom]

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[Torchwood, Jack/Ianto]

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122. [repeat]

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125. [removed]

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[Satisfied?]

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[Chelsey Lately]

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[Queer as Folk]

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[Sleeping Beauty]

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[Mighty Boosh]

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[Golden Sun]

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There have been cases of brother sibling incest where the men in question are otherwise straight. Not the I'm saying that wincest is the ONE TRU INTERPRETATION ZOMG!!1!1!!, just y'know, incest relationships are kind of a special case and the factors involved in starting an incestuous relationship or not are not necessarily going to be anything like the factors you would use to choose whether to get into a non-incestuous relationship with someone.

P.S. Disturbed!assassin!Winchester fic? Sounds awesome.

There have been cases of just about everything. The fact that it has happened somewhere, to someone, doesn't change anything.

And you're right, but that's because incest is usually abusive and coercive. I'm working on the premise that we're talking about incest between consenting adults. Generally speaking, a consenting relationship free from any pressure has you acting in accordance with your sexual orientation.

I'm thinking an AU where Dean shoots John Lennon.

Ha! Yes, good point, I probably shouldn't use that kind of example to make a point if I have no statistics on how likely that kind of thing actually is.

Though for the most part I don't think the actually probability of the Winchesters sleeping together matters that much to wincesters. I mean, if someone comes along and says "Here are some reasons why it's more plausible than it could be!" then they'll probably all peer over and go "Ooo! Fascinating!", but strict adherence to realism is not actually that common of a fannish trait.

When it comes to things like secret 161, I think it's more often a case of 'There are ways that this could be done somewhat realistically, and it would be really awesome to explore those paths too.' rather than 'PSYCHOLOGY SAYS THE WINCHESTERS ARE GAY FOR EACH OTHER STOP HOOKING THEM UP WITH GIRLS'. That the Winchesters are straight and like to sleep with girls that are unrelated to them is always (um, barring some incredibly implausible decisions on the part of TPTB) going to be a more plausible interpretation of canon, because that's what canon actually shows us. It might show us that those heterosexual relationships are not as significant as Sam and Dean's sibling relationship, but it definitely shows them as being more sexual than Sam and Dean's bond. (Of course, it doesn't help here that western culture tends to heavily conflate "most significant emotional relationship" with "sexual relationship". To the extent that you could argue that using western cultural coding they are showing us sexual subtext. But that's more because western ideals of romance are really screwed up than because of anything inherent to Sam and Dean's bond.)

Anyway, given that it's implausible already, why not make Sam/Dean one of the rare cases where two straight adult brothers have a consensual sexual relationship with each other but no other men? (Although actually, I think most wincesters interpret the boys as gay or bi. And how plausible that is is a whole other kettle of fish.)

I'm thinking an AU where Dean shoots John Lennon.
WELL I'D READ IT.

Oh, there's no reason not to. It's just that the pretense of this secret (and fannish attitudes like it) make me absolutely crazy.

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