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⌈ Secret Post #704 ⌋

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101.

[The World Ends with You]

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[Detective Conan, Kyou Kara Maou, Hana Yori Dango, Lovely Complex]

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108. [removed]

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[House]

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[Rookies]

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[Pokemon/Digimon]

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[tinman (dg/glitch); she & him]

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116. [not fandom]

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[Torchwood, Jack/Ianto]

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122. [repeat]

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125. [removed]

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[Satisfied?]

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[Chelsey Lately]

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[Queer as Folk]

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[Sleeping Beauty]

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[Mighty Boosh]

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[Golden Sun]

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Going into the serious, thinky, non-snarky thing, it's just-- the characters have agency as individual "people" so to speak, but they have agency in conjunction with and complicated by the fact that they are fictional. They have a complicated relationship as go-between for the writing, as mediated by the actors, with the audience. Not to mention there are multiple authors who write in tandom and seperately, which complicates Sam and Dean-as-characters even more depending on who is doing the writing on any particular episode.

So straight psychoanalysis that you'd do on a normal person has to be taken with a grain of salt because of all that.

(Which is entirely aside from the fact that psychoanalysis on someone you've never met or talked to is a bad idea.)

In other words, LOL psychoanalyzing a fictional character.

Well it's true that the many writers, and the fact that they communicate the characters through the actors, mean that there are so many contributors that what the viewers end up with is most likely going to be self contradictory, but I don't think that necessarily makes analysis from within context of the text pointless.

Obviously, as viewers, we have to see the characters as psychologically possible as part of our suspension of disbelief, and that is pretty much done by subconscious/intuitive analysis of the character from within the context of the text. Psychological analysis of characters is just a much more active, thorough form of what all readers do anyway. To say 'examining the text as if it were a real situation is pointless' is to call most of what people do while consuming fiction pointless. Pretending it's real (temporarily, within its own context), is the point.

You could say that examining the text as if it were real beyond just 'reading the story' will make the facade of psychological realism crumble, and the pointless part of analysing the psyche of a fictional character is the fact that you are likely to find unrealistic contradictions that will undermine your suspension of disbelief. I don't really find that that level of analysis does always undermine my suspension of disbelief though. I guess it is likely to get fanwank-y at that point, in as much as you will be pondering in-text solutions for mysteries that have obvious out-of-text causes, but for me a certain level of fanwank is kind of... part of the fun of fandom?

I am pretty sure I wouldn't find Supernatural (or whatever my primary fandom is at any given time) nearly as fun if I didn't try to see the characters as having whole, detailed personalties/psychologies. Obviously fictional worlds are constructed in the mind of the reader and, as a fan, what I most enjoy is making that world as detailed as I can. That can take the form of adding certain pieces of fanfiction to my 'personal canon', or spending time speculating about the psychology of the characters, or constructing theories about how that world functions based on what I know of it, or comparing other people's interpretations of the characters to mine to see if I think my interpretation could be improved upon, or any number of other things. I will edit how I see that world as we get new canon information which may contradict my current theories, I may even disregard (small) elements of canon if they don't fit with 'exactly what tone of voice I think Sam would use to say that', or whatever, but that's kind of what being in a fandom is for me.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't get why psychoanalysing characters is necessarily any more LOL pointless! than writing fanfiction, or making fanart, or anything else fans do for fun.

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