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⌈ Secret Post #704 ⌋

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101.

[The World Ends with You]

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[Detective Conan, Kyou Kara Maou, Hana Yori Dango, Lovely Complex]

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108. [removed]

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[House]

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[Rookies]

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[Pokemon/Digimon]

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[tinman (dg/glitch); she & him]

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116. [not fandom]

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[Torchwood, Jack/Ianto]

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122. [repeat]

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125. [removed]

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[Satisfied?]

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[Chelsey Lately]

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[Queer as Folk]

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[Sleeping Beauty]

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[Mighty Boosh]

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[Golden Sun]

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I totally hated that ep. Bela was a sociopathic thief that we were supposed to hate and we did hate her. She was a VILLAIN. Suddenly it's all BOO HOO FOR BELA.

No thanks. Not all female characters have to be nice. And the ones that aren't should have the courage of their lack of convictions and STAY EVIL.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Just because we know where she's coming from doesn't mean she's suddenly GOOD. She's still bad. She's still a sociopath because she still doesn't care about people.

I know you're not directly intending this meaning, but this thought process nevertheless is suggestive of the idea that anyone who's had bad things happen to them, it's okay for them to be bad. That by having a traumatized background, it somehow makes a bad person automatically good again.

It's not and it doesn't. I feel weird using a fictional character as a nugget of wisdom, but Henriksen summed it up pretty well, really: "'Cause everybody's got a sob story, but not everybody becomes a killer."

So yeah, Bela's got a sob story. That doesn't make what she's done okay or even right. And it sure as hell doesn't make her nice; everything she's done over the years remain amoral; knowing why she's taken the path she has doesn't suddenly transform all the times she stole for money into something saintly and wonderful. All it does is give us insight into her mindset and where she's coming from. It's a reason, not an excuse.

You're absolutely right, of course.

I just...felt so MANIPULATED by the end of Bela's story. Particularly to the extent that it was implied that the violence against her was sexual, which was something you could either choose to believe or choose not to. I hate the idea that a woman can't be a hardass sociopathic bitch if she hasn't been raped, and the converse logic that it's okay to be a hardass sociopathic bitch IF you've been raped.

You've managed to touch onto a lot of my issues with rape being portrayed on tv. You are awesome. :)

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I sure didn't get any "feel sorry for her" before that episode, so it's clearly open to interpretation. Then again, I know too many people who've survived child abuse, even sexual abuse, to accept that as something that MADE her a total fucking bitch? There were choices made. And she's responsible for those. 1 in 3 women and 1 in 9 men experiences sexual violence; many children experience abuse, so either way you want to interpret it, while what happened to her was terrible, most people who've been through that do not become horrible jerks who'd sell you out even after you'd helped them.

And I totally do not get the people who were mad at Dean because he wasn't compassionate to her after she told him her story; there was no reason for him to even BELIEVE her after everything she'd already done to him and Sam.

Edited 2008-12-10 03:38 (UTC)

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