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⌈ Secret Post #705 ⌋

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[Elf]

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[Naria: Caspian/Susan]

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[Hellsing]

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[Snoop Dogg, Sensual Seduction music video]

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[Eternal Sonata]

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[Hetalia]

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[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Gurren Gakuenhen]

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[MSNBC, Morning Joe: Joe Scarborough/Mika Brzezinski]

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It's fine to write about any kind of relationship, but it's the way said relationships are perceived (in this case, Bella and Edward's). It scares me that so many girls are willing to overlook Edwards scarier aspects because he and Bella are "in love".

That scares me too, but I don't think you can blame it on the books. Edward is weird, socially awkward, hard to get along with, and Bella doesn't like it quite a bit of the time. She accepts it because a) she's obsessively in love with Edward; b) she's rather damaged herself, having had to be the parent of her parents since she was quite young; c) there are actually good reasons and extenuating circumstances for some of Edward's actions (non-human abilities--his own and also the scary people who are after Bella) and d) when she goes against Edward's better judgement of what she can handle in his world, quite often she ends up getting hurt. If teenagers are reading this and deciding that Edward is a true romantic hero and Bella doesn't mind things that she argues about and complains about all the time, I'm going to say that this probably is a symptom of a larger problem endemic in our culture that Stephenie Meyer did not create and cannot control. Personally, the one I would date is not Edward, it's Carlisle. Bella is a first-person narrator, so of course she's going to explain things the way she sees them, but I think it's a mistake to assume that this is a textbook for how to have any kind of relationship.

And realistically? I think many of the girls who say "OMG EDWARD IS SO ROMANTIC" wouldn't actually put up with this behaviour in real life when faced with it. But Twilight is a vampire fantasy. I don't think girls who read pioneer romances want to go and live in the 1890s, but they fantasise about it. It frustrates me that people who say that they are feminists are often the people who give other girls and women the least amount of credit for having any common sense at all about stuff like this. I mean, I consider "OMG EDWARD IS SOOO ROMANTIC, I WANNA BOYFRIEND JUST LIKE HIM, I'd leave my husband/bf/SO in a heartbeat," to be the exact same kind of thing as when I say "OMG Rahm Emanuel is soooo hot, I'd hit that with the force of a thousand suns," when actually, I absolutely wouldn't (we're the same religion, we're both serious about it, and I'd be sooo disappointed if he cheated on his wife, even though I like to read slash about him). I think people frequently mistake fannish squee for something that it isn't.

I see what you're saying, but I've heard too many young girls at my mother's school go all mushy about the pairing without mentioning its faults for me to be entirely comfortable with it.

So...when you squee and get mushy about a fictional character or a fictional relationship, do you normally preface that with a discussion of the flaws inherent in said character or relationship and its inappropriateness for the real world, or do you just squee?

And if you just squee, why shouldn't they?

I started out in the online fanfiction/roleplaying world in Harry Potter and I was in my late 30s (2001-2002), and I ended up in a lot of conversations with people who turned out to be 14-17 years old. In the beginning, I frequently could not tell who was 16 and who was 35.

Later I detected a pattern: many 16 year olds were much more incisive in discussing a character's flaws than the 35 year olds (Snape's "wives" were not 15...), who were often in the rough spots of parenting/marriage/elder care and wanted silly romantic fluff, as opposed to teens, who liked angst. But if I had come into the conversation saying, "I'm 35, and you're 15, and this is not a good role model, and you do know this is not the kind of guy you should really date," it would have shut the conversation down AT ONCE. But I thought Snape and Draco were cool too, so we squeed, and then later, in the stories and deeper conversations, it became pretty clear that the teenagers were often clearer on the fault lines than the adults indulging in escapism who had enough RL to deal with offline. I tended to write fic with an equal balance of angst and emotional realism to romantic fluff, so I drew people from both age groups.

Your mother is the teacher of these girls. She's an authority figure and even if they like her, they're not going to have the conversations with her that they have with each other. You're her daughter, and presumably tell her what you hear. You are not going to hear what they really think deep down, and you certainly aren't going to hear it if you approach them as an older Person Who Knows What's Best For You.

Of course they go all mushy about the pairing. Of course they leave it at that. You're not someone they want to have this conversation with, and you won't be as long as you start out critical and authoritative.

Not to mention, there are a lot of people who don't want to analyse their squee material, and when did that stop being okay? As long as you're doing OK where it counts in real life, I see no reason to be concerned about you (OK not you personally, but you know what I mean) because you think Edward is hotter than Jacob or Draco is hotter than Ron. If you're not doing OK in real life, as a friend, I'm going to address that, not your shipping preferences.

(Actually, Draco is much nicer to Pansy than Ron is to Hermione, but Ron/Hermione are one of Those Couples--they freak me out way more than Edward and Bella, since when Edward is an asshole he usually has a good explanation for it later and he doesn't actually try to make Bella feel horrible about herself like real abusive bfs do.)

"when Edward is an asshole he usually has a good explanation for it later,"

... I may be projecting just a bit, but that seriously gives me the creeps. o__O

Just because he doesn't try to make her feel guilty doesn't make him NOT abusive.

I don't understand the disgust with Ron/Hermione. They've grown up, they're nice to each other now. Edward has had plenty of time to mature, but he still insists on exerting a disgusting amount of control over Bella.

Actually, Draco is much nicer to Pansy than Ron is to Hermione

We see Draco and Pansy together for all of four pages in the entire series. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW THIS. Your fanon =/= canon.

Besides, shouldn't you be off proving how pathetically middle-class you are by fawning over some wealthy person as part of your desperate desire to have some of their money? You know, with your innate ability to grovel and worship your "betters", you come off like a real life Peter Pettigrew.

Read some Paul Fussell already, you silly cow. Maybe then you'll realize how delusional your ideas about the rich are. They don't actually piss rainbows and then let their offspring bathe in them.

I think you should MWPP the Twilight characters into

lightning_war. They'll fit right in!

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