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⌈ Secret Post #705 ⌋

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[Naria: Caspian/Susan]

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[Snoop Dogg, Sensual Seduction music video]

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[Hetalia]

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Ok.

You're sort of way too touchy. I assure you that I was able to recognize a spectrum of good to evil even in the Kingdoms Hearts games, but I still think that the light/dark dichotomy is pretty rudimentary and basically boils down to "Even in the darkness, every colour can be found."

I'll give credit where credit is due, but you're giving entirely too much credit, especially by trying to conflate simple symbolic concepts of light and dark to Freudian concepts in order to lend some credence. Certainly the game touched on a few of the things you mention here and there, but not with any of the sophistication that you seem to think - which is probably why you feel the need to drag Freudian allegories into the whole mess, as though "giving into darkness" isn't a clear enough symbolic statement as it is.

I wasn't being touchy at all. I'm not upset -- the only reason I was talking a lot was to explain my answer. I was, simply, pointing out that you were completely ignoring canon elements to say that it was a weaker symbol than it was, and not using any touchier diction than you were -- since I assumed that was acceptable?

You may disagree with the Freudian allegories, but I'm at least "dragging in canon elements" to support it. You honestly can't say that it's less sophisticated than I think, or that I'm giving it too much credit, without at least doing likewise. I pointed out the associations of darkness with desire/power/losing control to the unconcious, and named some examples of 'good' dark people, and touched (a little more briefly) on the light side as well. You can't just think you have a good counter-argument with "it's not sophisticated!" without... you know, supporting the point. Especially since that's not the point. You see:

I already said I didn't think it was literary genius. One can use Freudian concepts of personal unconscious without doing it in a sophisticated or advanced manner. That's how I feel Kingdom Hearts used it here. It's really obviously not a GOOD OR EVIL!!1 metaphor at play in the game, but it is a dominant metaphor, and it's very Id-Superego. That doesn't mean that it isn't heavy-handed, but it's still there by virtue of being in line with the symbolism. If the dark people aren't all evil, what do they have in common? Etc. I'm not even saying Nomura went LET'S USE FREUD 8D, just that the concepts we see that DO fit that metaphor fall in line with the Freudian theory of the unconscious (subconscious desire vs controlling authority).

Again, I honestly am not touchy, but I'm giving reasons for my theories. The two shouldn't be mistaken. Please at least give me the credit of doing likewise instead of basically just saying "No, you're wrong" without supporting it, okay?

Not that I know much about Freud, but as for the characters, yeah, the majority of the villains gave into darkness for the sake of power, but Riku was simply a mix of ambition and thoughtless naivete in that he was certain the darkness couldn't do the same to him. And although Mickey's is probably the Keyblade of Darkness, the only thing I remember even vaguely hinting at that is that he says 'I've got the one for this side' and that was that for it. It never goes anywhere with that (unfortunately).

I'm sure the elements are there if you really look for them, but as a player who was in the target range when the first one came out, I certainly wasn't looking for them. Kingdom Hearts isn't Xenogears, after all.

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