[ SECRET POST #4945 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4945 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Queer Eye]


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03.
[Criminal Minds]


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04.
[Dunkirk (2017)]


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05.
[Murder by Numbers (game)]


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06.
[Fights Break Sphere, aka Battle Through the Heavens]


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[Locke & Key]

























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Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/7K0GUV1.png
[Locke & Key]

[(Anonymous)]

Anecdotal and not in the US, but one of the regular targets of the mean girls of my year was a tall, model-like, blonde with a stylish fashion sense and a very kind demeanor. I never really understood what that was all about and why someone who looked so much the part of a popular girl ended up hanging out with us "losers" because nobody else would have her.

[feotakahari]

My high school was too big for me to know the social trends, but in middle school, one popular girl moved to Alaska for a while, and when she came back, the other popular girls hated for no readily apparent reason. And in primary school, the rich girls whose parents bought expensive clothes bullied the rich girl whose parents bought her cheap clothes. (She was still rich; her parents were just thrifty.)

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, that's a lot of projecting OP. Like pretty does not trump personality, especially if they do something to tick off the popular kids so that even something as normal as dyeing their can be used as bully fodder just because they can.
That being said, I don't know anything about this character, but the idea that she couldn't possibly be an outcast because she's pretty is just blatantly untrue.

[(Anonymous)]

you sound so bitter, OP, high school is over. it doesn't matter what the Cool Kids thought of you anymore. kids get singled out for being bullied for so many weird, unpredictable, overlapping reasons. I don't even know what this show is but having a family that's "infamous" could absolutely do it - one of my former students got teased relentlessly for his parents' embarrassing breakup; another was constantly talked about and mocked for having a gay family member. I've seen talented, intelligent, kind, good-looking, well-dressed, well-kept students be teased and bullied and shunned and friendless just as often as I've seen goofy, low-performing, nasty, poorly-dressed students be.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP and long out of high school myself, but somebody recently posted a secret that mentioned that they're currently 16. Maybe high school isn't over for the OP.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Honestly you raise a really good point. I mean I still don't agree with OP, but I swear this might be the only place where everyone here automatically assumes everyone else is an an adult. Fascinating!

[(Anonymous)]

I was a band geek in HS, and I had some friends that were babes because they were interested in music and our ~popular circle~ thought doing any extracurriculars that weren't sports was lame. Sometimes pretty people just don't vibe with each other. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know the series and not from the US myself but, as someone who's pretty much standard white girl (tm) on the outside but actually hella neuroatypical/autistic coming from a similarly NA family (which was rather well-off but originally poor and got their money through hard work and/or luck thus "thrifty" and I earned a scholarship in an elite hs,) this experience was literally all of my school life, to the point of considering dropping out multiple times despite doing well academically and loving research. Though I was in the "top 3 students" every time I was also with the "losers gang" every time. By always I mean from grade 1 to my college-level degrees it happened every single time; we just clicked. When "popular kids" tried to approach me it always felt like they spoke alien language. Nowadays (I mask better and) we're Facebook friends and I'm privileged by my average looks enough that we forgot it all but really? If I try to talk to them for over 10 minutes, surely I'll leave a "bad impression" somehow.

Having an infamous family is more than enough, in my experience, to be bullied in most school circles. Just like being poor or black or "ugly". And that's why we should celebrate being done with school instead of trying to reproduce that experience everywhere like some folks seem to try to do.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree.
I live in a small town, but from how I figure it, most cliques are created at a very young age, well off parents who are familiar with one another will generally put their children together as they socialize themselves. Groups will form between those who have children of the same age so that they can play together. These parental supported relationships generally continue towards school, and children are definitely more open to others at such a young age they still know enough about their parents expectations to try and please them. The clique style groups start to form then, and while they might shift and mingle, they become rather noticeable around fourth grade I would say.
My point I guess, before I go on a total tangent, is that you're absolutely right that an issue in the family could easily cause any one person to be outcasted. It can be so easy as a child noticing their parent at a very young age looking or saying something uncouth about a certain family.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Same here, my hometown isn't big and that's how it happened here as well. In the end, my best friends were often kids whose parents had to move a lot and/or were similarly socially outcast for one reason or the other. Not to say looks never help (particularly after puberty, well unless you're a "frigid woman" like me in which case it may backfire and worsen the bullying) but there's so, so much more to social ostracizing.

[(Anonymous)]

People don't want to self insert on an average looking, possibly overweight, nobody. They want to self insert on a skinny, conventionally attractive white girl. That's why.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone figured out the actual answer lol.

[(Anonymous)]

FWIW, this was basically how my HS was too, OP. Not every pretty girl was popular, but nobody who was considered good-looking was a pariah or considered a “loser.” Good looks basically placed a cap on how uncool people would ever see a person as being.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but was this actually true or did you know every pretty person in your school and have an insight on how exactly they were treated. Being in the middle ground doesn't exempt anyone from being bullied y'know. And I'm sure there were some pretty people who caught the short end of the stick as well, unless of course your HS only had like fifty people in it that is.

[(Anonymous)]

Our HS had about 500 kids, total, spread over five grades, so it was pretty easy to keep track of people. Like I said, not every pretty person was popular. And sometimes the pretty people went for each other. All the girl-on-girl fights that occurred in our school were between the pretty, popular girls, who were friends when they weren't fighting.

But none of the pretty people were pariahs. That's honestly a very easy thing to detect if you have even a tiny bit of social awareness. If you were pretty, you weren't seen as a loser. People might not like you, but you were still "cool." Hell, there was one girl who showed up to the first day of eleventh grade tweaking, went nuts in class, and got suspended for a couple of weeks. When she came back, people just thoughts she was cooler for it. Messed up, but cool.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and that is a social awareness you clearly lack. I was part of a lot of cliques growing up. There isn't just the popular kids and the losers. There are more than a dozen extra groups in between, there are about half a dozen more, depending, and I'm just talking about grade school.

There is no way you kept a detailed social record for all 500 kids in your high school. Let alone anything accurate, and y'know, even if you did, that might explain a lot about your total lack of self comprehension around basic social queues.
I mean, sure. Not every high school is the same, but unless the transfer kid tweaked out just by drinking the koolaid your town has as their water supply, then you're just simply as oblivious as any other self-centred loser who thinks that life dealt them the worst hand possible, and that everyone else must be that much more fortunate because they aren't you.
Well, tough break kiddo, the world doesn't work that way. Grow up, the earth doesn't revolve around you.

[(Anonymous)]

People can be conventionally attractive and still bullied if there's some opening for bullies to tease them. A girl in my year at school was very pretty but her twin brother died and she was bullied for that. Another one was bullied because her dad wore a pink bike helmet and she would cry a lot when people were mean to her. It doesn't take much for a bully to get started, and if they get a reaction they just keep going forever.

(Though it was satisfying when the 10th reunion came up and the main organizer was one of the worst bullies and she had to plead with people to attend. They still got less than 20 people from a class of 78.)

[(Anonymous)]

"...but her twin brother died and she was bullied for that" Jesus Christ are/were kids always really that horrible?
As for the pink helmet, it's very been-there for me (being bullied for dressing a certain way because it was practical/unexpensive/what I had literally) so IA definitely. The last part was heartwarming.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes it's because another pretty, fashionable person is seen as a threat to their popularity. Other times (like with my "best friend" in junior high) it's because they have an unbearable personality once you get to know them. They could be welcomed into the group at first, but turn out to be someone nobody wants to keep around.

The latter might not fit in the secret (I don't know who the character is) but since you seem to think this treatment is impossible in real life as well, I thought I'd tell you why it isn't.

[meadowphoenix]

I think there is a Hollywood gear toward fitting conventional beauties into whatever character role they want, without a similar trend for non-conventional girls.


but honestly, all it takes is being new in a cliquish town. literally that's it. and its especially true if you're new, and the head of the clique's power is based on beauty and they see you as a threat. or it's based on conformity to popular trendsetting, and they see dyeing your hair as a threat. or, or, or. high school power mechanics are very varied and not everyone deals with perceived threats with subtlety.

[(Anonymous)]

After reading this thread, I feel like the important question isn't weather pretty/conventionally attractive teens can be unpopular, losers, and/or bullied, but whether unattractive kids, those with bad acne, those who get stuck with unflattering clothes and hairstyles for financial/lack of fashion sense/it's what their parents make them wear reasons... how often are those kids well liked in general rather than relegated to the losers club? (I hesitate to ask whether they can be popular because is that something you even want? My large high school didn't have an "in crowd" that I was aware of so I don't even know what being popular in my school meant.)