[ SECRET POST #4947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4947 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[tabaqui]

I've never seen this movie, so why would the character's ethnicity matter?
And if you never see enough of them to know it...*why* would it matter, and how would they even know?

[(Anonymous)]

Because the premise of the world involved oppression of "desirables" like homosexuals and Muslims, and V had previously been a prisoner of the government. Part of his message was that his individual identity didn't matter, but a lot of people have wondered what his supposed "crime"/deviancy had been for him to have been imprisoned in the first place.

[tabaqui]

Hrmmmmmm. Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Comment OP here, and for me it's less about the in-story or Watsonian reasons and more about the Doyleist, behind the scenes reasons. A lot of white dudes glommed onto V as a cool action hero (remember Anonymous?) while ignoring the fact that in-universe, his transformation into a vigilante began with a letter written by a dying lesbian the next cell over from him in a concentration camp full of Black people, Jewish people, Muslims, LGBT+ people, etc, where they were all human lab rats.

Hugo Weaving did a fantastic job, but he's a white guy from Australia. The Venn diagram of people who would've been pissed off if V had been played by a Black or Palestinian or Pakistani actor, and the people who ignored the actual point of the movie because there were lots of knives and explosions, is pretty close to a perfect circle. There was at least one person wearing a V mask at a fucking anti-mask protest.

Which is especially stupid because in the film, V's blood is used to create a pandemic that leads to the rise of, basically, a hybrid of Hitler and Dubya Bush. (The movie turned a Thatcher critique comic from the 80s into an indictment of Bush, Cheney, the War on Terror, and Fox News, and left in the bits about a complacent populace who went along out of fear, ignorance, or a desire for power.)

[luxshine]

If it helps... when I read the graphic novel the first time I came out with the absolute certainty that V was in fact a trans man. To be exact, that he was the author of the letter, that had been completely changed by the experiments and thus considered his past self dead, but still fought for her. The movie didn't change my views much, and it was until I read the novel a fourth time when I realized that it was probably not the authorial intent given Alan Moore's.. Alan Moorish personality.

[tabaqui]

Oh, i like that headcanon.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--no, I definitely thought that was a possibility, and much as I enjoy some of Moore's stuff, I don't really care what he'd think about the idea. Shouldn't have had the GN have the doctors doing hormone research on the prisoners; I think it's actually more likely in the GN than the film. I wonder how the Wachowski sisters would adapt it today... it'd be even more depressingly easy than it was during Bush II's time in office.

[tabaqui]

Ah ha, okay.
The trailer for this movie never inspired me to watch it, and now that you describe it, I have even less interest - sounds depressing and horrifying. Enough of that shite going on (having gone on) - not entertainment, to me.

But yes, you're right, they could have really made the impact of the V character incredibly more dynamic and interesting by choosing someone not-white.

Thanks for the info!

[(Anonymous)]

DA Yeaaaaaah. I personally still love it for the overall message of rebellion and hope in the face of all, but I don't think I could watch it in our current times. It's a little TOO on the nose for today.

[(Anonymous)]

Comment OP here, and tbh that's why I rewatched it and have been on a fandom tear about it. For me, the fantasy isn't knives and explosions, but that all protestors have to do is show up for one night and support one person who did all the hard bits, and the cops and military are actually sensible and humane enough not to just slaughter or beat the shit out of everyone. I mean, I donate money sometimes and went to a local protest; I used to go to more, but then the pandemic happened. Nothing any one person does in RL is gonna be enough to change things.

[(Anonymous)]

"in-universe, his transformation into a vigilante began with a letter written by a dying lesbian the next cell over from him in a concentration camp full of Black people, Jewish people, Muslims, LGBT+ people, etc, where they were all human lab rats"

but that's why him being a white guy actually makes sense; it proves that norsefire weren't just shallow racists who hated all Minorities; they hated everybody who didn't go along with their worldview, and being a white dude won't stop you getting killed / experimented on / whatever