[ SECRET POST #4952 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4952 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 39 secrets from Secret Submission Post #709.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Being super duper creative and breaking all the rules like a rebel is something best done AFTER you know the rules and understand why they exist. It's really obvious when a newbie writes something with an "rules are for losers!!!" attitude because their writing is so amateurish and clumsy.

Second, a story with plot where plot isn't the primary purpose of the story isn't what OP's talking about, so... yeah. Your argument isn't incorrect, but it's not very relevant.

[(Anonymous)]

Your first point is both unnecessarily rudely phrased and obnoxiously gatekeepery, so I won't be discussing it.

As for the second point, the OP appears to be starting from a faulty premise and assuming the purpose of a plotty fic is to write a plot. That's not necessarily the case, and it's especially not in fandom. Seeing how this web site is about fandom and the secret explicitly mentions fanfic, I fail to see how discussing variations in objectives for writing and reading fanfic in order to suggest alternative interpretations of the OP's complaint is irrelevant.

[(Anonymous)]

Not surprised. A lot of people like to think that because writing is a creative endeavour, there are no rules. That's not strictly true, of course. You write a 100K novel using all backwards mirror-font if you want, but it's not generally recommended, and there's a good reason for that. You can leave out all the nouns and arbitrarily capitalize every third letter, but there's a good reason not to do that, too. Now it's true that good writing can break the rules and still be a hell of a good story. But it's equally true that more writers believe they're capable of doing this when in fact, they are not. Nobody's gatekeeping anything to suggest that rule-breaking is more effective if you understand why the rules are there in the first place and what pitfalls they're trying to guard against.

So plotty fics aren't about plot. Calling them plotty sure seems like a bad idea then, eh? Or could it be that OP is choosing to define "plotty" as "a fic where plot is a priority" and you're (for some odd reason) are choosing to define "plotty" as "a fic where plot isn't necessarily the priority but it's just identified by the one thing it's not really about, for Reasons"?

[(Anonymous)]

You can keep arguing against my Reasons with your strawmen, but we're not going to get anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Says the nonny who's arguing that plotty fics aren't really about plot.

[(Anonymous)]

Hard to believe that someone with limited reading comprehension is arguing in favor of plotty fics.

[(Anonymous)]

What have I misunderstood? You're clearly trying to define "plotty" as something that's not about plot. The secret is about apples and you're talking about oranges and insisting they're apples.

[(Anonymous)]

You can keep arguing against my Reasons with your strawmen, but we're not going to get anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Yesssss. Not just in writing but in lots of things.

I used to teach art classes and this is something I used to tell my students. Get basic anatomy and perspective down, and then you can draw whatever style you like. It's the deliberate exaggeration of features or the skewed perspective that's striking in other people's work because they understand exactly what they're doing "wrong" and it's a deliberate choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Cool, anon. But would you say they would be better off not drawing at all, if it's something they enjoy doing - and maybe others enjoy seeing! - if they haven't nailed anatomy (yet)? Say they didn't have the opportunity to go to an art class. Would you?
Because this is basically what this secret sounds like. And I've seen (as someone who is more into fanart than fanfic anyway) a lot of very mediocre anime artists who don't know shit thing about anatomy, nor can really shadow an object, but know a lot about anime art from, well, watching a lot of it and can mix and match colors like nobody else, and their vibrant palettes alone actually draw in a lot of fans and comissioners and all that. Because this is what art is actually about: as much as some elitists would like to beg otherwise, there is the "right, formal" way to do something, but there is also the occasional "this is totally wrong from a formal perspective but it blew" way. And the purpose of FANworks is exactly that: not be professional or formalistic, but please fans or author; the purpose is for it to be a homage. After all, it's often not like they're earning any profit for it, so it should allow the artist to experiment however they want in my opinion.