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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-12-14 05:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #709 ]


⌈ Secret Post #709 ⌋

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[identity profile] mekkio.livejournal.com 2008-12-14 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
130. Sadly, I agree. You would think he would be an agnostic rather than atheist. At least open to the ideas that there is a possibility of something, somethings or someone out there. It would be the smart bet to place.

And I feel anyone who says "Religion is the cause to all of man's sorrows or troubles," doesn't really understand Humanity at all.

Man is always the cause of his fellow man's heartache. God, gods, religion is the excuse he uses to do what he wants. Take religion away and he'll find another reason. Land, food, power, national pride and, yes, even science. (As in, scientists have proven that you are poisoning your land. We on the other hand are thriving. For the good of all humanity as well as yourself, we must take your land away from you to save you. Hence, this war.)

Re: 130

[identity profile] theoret.livejournal.com 2008-12-14 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be the smart bet to place.
I don't think agnosticism is necessarily more rational than atheism. They're just two different ways of trying to apply rationality to belief.

If you define knowledge as 'justified, true belief', then it's more or less impossible to know if you know something or not. In my opinion, it's just as rational to respond to the lack of certainty by saying "I will believe in the things I have experienced evidence for and I will disbelieve things I have not experienced evidence for; and will revise my beliefs over time as I get new evidence" as it is to say "I will suspend having belief because I cannot have knowledge".

Sorry. You probably don't care that much. But I think my stance (I don't know if god(s) exist(s), but I believe not) is no less rational than an agnostic stance (I don't know if god(s) exist(s), and I have no beliefs either way) and it's kind of a sore spot for me given that "Well if you were actually being rational you'd be an agnostic!" is something I get all the time.

I also think, completely regardless of whether there are supernatural forces or not, it is silly to deny that religion can be a source of good in some people's lives, so I don't mean to come across as being antagonistic at all here. I'm just kinda sensitive on the subject.

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[identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com 2008-12-15 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Agnostic (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a statement of knowledge. If you claim to be agnostic, you claim to be unable to prove whether or not a god or gods exist. You can be an agnostic theist, one who believes in a god but cannot prove its existence, or you can be an agnostic atheist, one who cannot prove or disprove gods, but does not believe in them.

In the same way that being agnostic is a statement of knowledge, atheism is a statement of belief. In answer to the question above, the atheist does not believe that there is circle at all, or rather that the circle emcompasses all that exists. While the theist would ask, “How can you prove that what is outside the circle doesn’t exist?” The Atheist would ask, “How can you prove that it does?”

- http://atheismandhappiness.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/not-exclusive/
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Re: 130

[personal profile] hlagol 2008-12-15 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for this. I may have to steal it when I'm back home in the bible belt and get questions. It's an elegant explanation, imo.