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Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[philstar22]

Depends on the culture for me. Authorial intent does matter, but what is on the page is most important. But in a culture where they aren't allowed to put such things on a page, I will put more weight on the author's intent that the characters are a couple. In that case for me scenes like in Untamed along with the author's clear intent that those are meant to be taken as romantic would be enough.

But on the other hand, in a western country where it is perfectly okay to put in a LGBT couple, I'm going to want more. An author saying they are a couple will have some weight, but without more on the page or screen, I won't view that as particularly strong evidence. After all, an author could just say something else in another interview. They can change their mind. If it isn't on the page or screen, it isn't quite as official.

Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I definitely agree that in situations like The Untamed, you can only do so much so the criteria's slightly different.

If it isn't on the page or screen, it isn't quite as official.

Yeah, I agree. I generally am not going to go just by what an author says in an interview or whatever, either, there has to be something on the page/screen, I'm just wondering what specific things have to be on the page/screen? Like, does there need to be a sex scene? Or a big, dramatic confession of love? Or do other, more subtle things count? (For me personally, sleeping cuddled with someone, and wishing you could wake up with them every day, and saying they're more important than anyone or anything else in the world to you comes across as pretty clearly romantic, but obviously different people will see things differently.)

Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[philstar22]

Al of those things would work for me. The Legend of Korra ending where they look at each other in a clear loving look and they are clearly going to go to the spirit world together as a couple works for me. It doesn't have to be a sex scene or dramatic. Subtle does work for me. But then again, I didn't notice until she made the statement or think it was enough with Dumbledore and Grindewald in Harry Potter in the books.

Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah. And even though it's never said (it takes place in another time period/fantasy world, so it's understandable) there are some things that make me see where the argument could be made that one or both characters are some variation of asexual, so it would make sense that it would be handled a little differently. (And although I haven't read it yet, apparently in one of the author's other books, the m/m relationship IS made explicit, so she's clearly not against writing same sex relationships. Which I guess could point to this one NOT being romantic because if it was, why wouldn't it just say so on the page, but IDK, there are enough things that when added together, make me feel like it is, even though it doesn't come out and say it. IDK if i'm even making any sense here.)

But then again, I didn't notice until she made the statement or think it was enough with Dumbledore and Grindewald in Harry Potter in the books.

I thought the ONLY proof of that even being a thing was that she mentioned it in an interview? Or is there supposed to be evidence from the books, and people just didn't catch it or something?

Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[(Anonymous)]

We have dramatic conventions for showing relationships that have been around since Shakespeare. When they're applied equally, I think the results are pretty unambiguous. SpinTossa bicker about chores and frequently use terms of endearment like a married couple. Therefore, they are, for all intents and purposes, a married couple.

Re: To you, what is necessary for a same-sex relationship to be considered canon?

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely! When you have the same sex pair acting the same as the straight couples do, I think it becomes pretty clear that it means they're a couple, too, even if they don't come out and say it.